(Disclaimer: I voted against Trump and anyone who supported him in my state.)
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I have spent all day crying and drafting escape plans since my life is now in extreme danger. I’m a Latina immigrant, trans, and drag-adjacent performer
If push comes to sobre shove, I sincerely invite you to look at Mexico as an alternative as a trans Latina. Sure, your life won’t be a luxury, but you’ll be happy and free. You’d be surprised at how well we’re doing now, how accepting the Mexican population is regarding important LGBT+ issues and what a bright future we have ahead of us.
If you’re in a blue state you will be much safer. If you’re not, see if you can relocate to one even if that means you sleep on someone’s couch for a while. I wish you the best.
Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine are desperate for people to move there… And the Canadian border is right there just in case
keep in mind this opinion also promises that it can’t be fixed, as the more blue voters that leave the red leaning states the more power those red leaning states have. Moving to a blue leaning state only removes the blue votes from the red leaning state in favor of increasing the power of an already blue state.
Of course if he somehow manages to find a way to do away with the election process this would be true, but currently the best bet overall is going to be stay in your state, honestly if you can lower solid blue districts in favor of saturating red districts that’s the best option but that’s a difficult task.
Our system does not operate under popular vote. It runs off the electoral college, its the main reason red states want to gerrymander the district lines to make all black areas be their own district, its less damage if every opponent is in the same district as it allows only one district to be in opposition instead of multiple.
That’s all well and good, but are you really suggesting that trans people who are fearing for their lives should stay put to help the electoral college issues four years from now?
that’s a sticky question, there’s no perfect answer sadly.
the solution of moving to a blue state is a good short term fix. However it won’t survive a long-term exposure. Eventually the federal level laws will outlaw the state level laws regarding it and their protections in the blue state won’t help them anymore. When that happens the only outcome is all red laws. We are already seeing that with him claiming that he’s going to outlaw abortion period on the federal level, which will overrule state level, an act that currently I believe would make it through the proper channels to actually get implemented as the red party currently holds half (if not all) the legislative, the entire executive, and despite it not being supposed to be possible, the judicial branches.
In a perfect world, due to everyone dispersing into the red districts, it would saturate the polls in those districts, requiring district remaps via gerrymandering to win. Unless there truly is more red voters then blue, in which case there is no solution to this problem while remaining in the US, the only valid option is either a second civil war, or moving to another country and hoping that it doesn’t spread. Neither options are ideal.
that’s a sticky question,
No, the banshee-wailing fuck it isn’t!
If someone truly believes they are in fucking danger, they need to remove themselves from the danger first and foremost, before any consideration of “but what about next election?”
Good luck and I wish you the safest journey to somewhere safe as possible.
I hate that i’m saying this, but Canada or somewhere in the EU are probably your best bets. If Project 2025 goes according to plan we’re going to see a great upheaval come Q1 2025 that probably clusterfucks everything.
Long term with christian school mandates via defunding education and funding vouchers will further create a hostile nation for anyone who does not conform to a heterosexual white nationalist christian identity.
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I wish you luck and safety.
What does your escape plan look like?
Edit: lmao people LARPing
Maybe not a great idea for some individuals to advertise their escape plans in open channels online?
Honestly, the internet doesn’t feel “safe” anymore, in general. I’ve already stopped myself saying certain things a few times in the last 24 hours.
“Great Firewall of China” style internet incoming.
Put on your pirate hat and get while the gettings good. Sneakernets makin a comeback.
Tbh I haven’t pirated much in years. Mind PMing me any decent trackers?
Sure, advertising your secret plans in public might not be the best idea, regardles of the medium.
From the technical standpoint, internet has never been more secure and private. The amount of plaintext shit that was literally flying over the air just a decade ago was terrifying.
If it’s a good escape plan you might help someone. I mean as long as it doesn’t require concealment to succeed. And I guess a lot of plans like “find a job abroad” don’t really need to be kept secret.
Pretty fucked, but not as fucked as Ukraine, Palestine, Lebanon, or Taiwan.
NATO will be fucked for a while if the US withdraws, but other NATO countries may ramp up military spending over time.
This situation is a worldwide danger. The US is/was a world power, it has/had the largest national economy in the world, it has the largest military in the world.
Previously, we could be concerned that democratic countries (including the US) weren’t putting enough pressure on authoritarian countries (like Russia, China, and North Korea) to improve. Now we have to worry that the US will actually become a fully authoritarian country, like Russia or China.
If NATO fades into oblivion, that would be a great opportunity for European countries to make a news defense organization where a single country like Hungary or Turkey can’t play their political games.
I expect that the EU is going to have to claim defence competencies to continue the Union’s defense. There are way too many small countries in NATO that can’t contribute meaningfully to a military beyond some basic battalions and the EU needs something more robust than France and Poland.
On the bright side… the rest of the world is realizing that being reliant on one country for military power and maintaining stability was a terrible idea. The UN and NATO only have power if the countries are willing to enforce those decisions, and if the US doesn’t, there isn’t really a comparable backup option. The US military was always the elephant in the room keeping things generally less extreme just by its existence and not reacting impulsively.
Well, they want to dismantle a lot of the stuff that protects the middle and working classes. The country will be fine. The people will suffer. Democracy? Judgement is reserved. If he follows through on his idea of a third term without a legitimate amendment to the Constitution then it’s very very dead. But we won’t know that for years.
Someone joke bet $500 Michigan will be blue with a +4% lead so I think I’ll joke bet $500 it will just be a repeat of 2016-2020 except 1.5x worse and then by next election maybe the DNC will learn to run a normal primary again and promote a popular candidate who actually promises to meet constituents’ demands instead of ignoring them.
Also someone on this community asked what everyone would do if Trump won and I said I’d probably make a collage of a years worth of my comments telling people ignoring genocide would cost Democrats the election.
So I guess I might go do that now and say “I told you so” to everyone who told me I was wrong.
I wrote that Biden dropping out of the race would be a big mistake. My “I told you so” is worth about as much as yours.
I’m fairly certain Biden would have done the same if not worse considering his lower popularity that resulted in Democrats switching to Harris.
Had they planned this out and done a primary, there’d probably be a new candidate who would have done better and possibly won.
Of course that would involve letting people decide their candidate which is a big no no and too expensive to rig and risk losing anyway just like Hillary’s campaign.
The ONLY thing I know for certain after this clusterfuck is that Biden would have lost by even more.
I hate that this is true, just for 2 reasons: he is male and white
Him dropping out wasn’t his biggest mistake. Him choosing to drop out months after the primary process was his biggest downfall. He basically fucked the democratic party because he couldn’t swallow his ego and drop out when it was clear his popularity among the country was dwindling even in the party itself. Every advisor he had said “hey you likely shouldn’t run again” but he stayed, Hell fucking Obama even told him “yo you aren’t going to win this”. His stubbornness to run for a second term is what killed the chances of a democratic win here.
additional note: I don’t blame him though, like I could not imagine working my entire life up to that moment, and then having to say “I wasn’t the change I wanted to be I need to let someone else take the reins”, it must have been such a blow to his self confidence. The fact that he dropped out at all was a show of strength. I don’t think him dropping out at the point he was in changed the outcome overall, the damage in my eyes was done as soon as he decided to continue with the primaries knowing he was losing support
Let me put it this way: we will see the true beginning of WW3 in the Baltics. Trump will predictably not act upon that and the response will be 100% up to Europe itself.
That response better be an armed one, and quick too, or we all better start practicing cyrillic here in W-europe.
Regardless if we are lucky, “only” tens of thousands will die. More likely it will be millions.
So yeah, Trump kinda bedazzled us there, no way around it. Won’t be until the people who voted him in will start hurting personally that they’ll finally realize they’ve been conned. But too little too late.
Won’t be until the people who voted him in will start hurting personally that they’ll finally realize they’ve been conned. But too little too late.
Cute that you think they won’t just blame Mexicans when they do start hurting.
As long as they have a group to scapegoat
Oh he’d act. He’d assist Russia and be the other Axis power.
Germany’s fatal mistake in WW2 was not being America instead.
Who, exactly, is to take its place along with the British Empire and USSR in holding back fascism?
The US? pretty fucking fucked. The World, so fucked it has no idea how truly fucking fucked it is yet.
With AMOC collapse underway, the entire planet is fucked. Hope this helps
*the world
Is that a JoJo’s Reference?
Pretty fucked. I’m already weighing my options here now that this has happened. My gf is a Brazilian here on a education visa, will Trump deport her? Maybe. If she goes back to see family during the summer will she be allowed back in? I don’t have much faith she will be. My cousin is trans and in a red state now, he’s very much at risk. My other cousin is queer and also at risk. If my dad wasn’t already dead his disability money will have dried up, not to mention his medications and treatments would’ve been unaffordable more than they already were. Thank fuck I don’t have or want kids so they don’t have to grow up in this shit hole of a country, if there’s even a livable planet left with Trump deregulating and adding to the climate crisis.
We’re about to be bent over the table with no lube
Weirdly, it depends on how honest Trump is.
If he forgets about everything he talked at any part of the campaign, and just decide to maximize his tranquility during his term, not as bad as if he decides to keep his promises.
I’m hoping he just focuses on enriching himself. Clearing his convictions and then lining his pockets with more NFTs and corruption. That’ll keep him sufficiently occupied to not fuck too much with the lives of everyday people.
Yeah, but everyone else around him does have clear goals and plans that they do want to accomplish. And they’re prepared this time, whereas they were kinda caught by surprise in 2016.
The more golf he plays the less damage he can do
Every nation should be inviting him for state dinners, banquets, golf tournaments, the works. Collectively keep his ego constantly jerked off and away from any advisors. Keep that going for four years and we might just distract the child enough.
Y’all realize there are three branches of US government right?
Trump commands only one. And he isn’t an actual monarch or dictator. He won’t be allowed to over step too much.
Either he’s going to be rained in or section four of the 25th amendment will be instituted.
The other branches are now controlled by the same far right groups who largely fall in line with what Trump (or his masters) demand. There are no checks and balances now. Congress will propose and pass any legislation he wants and the supreme court will find no fault with the legislation. The public does not have to go along with anything. They have now given full control to the far right who is in lock step with their plan to dismantle the US government and rebuild it to suit their own whims. The guardrails are gone, there is no protection now.
They win the house??? I think I read it will be a few days before we know for sure.
We already know enough. There were 20 or so seats in the House that Dems could pick up, and they needed 40 for control.
The Senate is lost for sure.
Y’all realize there are three branches of US government right?
yes
Trump commands only one.
for now.
And he isn’t an actual monarch or dictator.
not yet.
He won’t be allowed to over step too much.
like last time?
Either he’s going to be rained in or section four of the 25th amendment will be instituted.
by whom? the magat controlled senate? maybe the magat controlled congress? oh no, it would have to be the magat controlled Supreme Court! maybe the magat controlled justice department? shit… well we can always count on Jack Smith… he’s getting fired, you say? out of a cannon, you say?
well, when shit really hits the fan, I guess we can just ask NATO or the EU for help…
He controls one. Hand picked asshats on the bench, and his supporters won Congress. It’s really hard to see a world where this doesn’t get drastically worse for liberals.
It’s really hard to see a world where this doesn’t get drastically worse for
liberalsliterally everyone in the world…Oh yeah. It will be bad for everyone, but I meant for liberal candidates in the future.
I should have been more specific.
If the next term doesn’t actively harm people in the public eye, I guarantee they will make it next to impossible to ever win again.
Glad you asked.
Lol, “the fault is not hers”
Before, his power was checked by legislature…but now GOP has full control over the gov, and the supreme Court has 5 members nominated by Trump, soon to be 7.
Hand maidens tale seems possible. Destruction of the middle class through tariffs, union busting, tear down of heath coverage, teardown public schools, force colleges to abandon certain studies or no federal money…
Add in non stop fossil fuel promotion with drill baby drill attitudes, tear down NOAA and the nhc because strong hurricane news reinforces climate change.
I guarantee in 4 years Trump will try to name a successor instead of holding an election.
Wanna bet he’ll put up one of his kids (hell perhaps even Barron?) and bend the whole sycophantic side of the GOP into endlesdly propping them up?
In 4 years, you may simply get Trump III. I want to say this notion seems absurd, except that it absolutely isn’t.
tear down NOAA
Fuuuccckkkk… Add to the list of things I forgot… The AccuWeather guy is about to become even more wealthy…
The billionaire class are the only winners of this election, but then again when aren’t they the winner? Money is literally power.
Goddamnitalltohell. I forgot we’re going to have to subscribe to private disaster warning systems. That’s pretty much it in a nutshell. Perfectly describes everything they want to do.
I guarantee in 4 years Trump will try to name a successor instead of holding an election.
No. He will not name a successor, he will remain president. Either he will eliminate elections or he will do like his idol, Putin. Arrest and murder anyone who dares oppose him.
He is an extreme narcissist and egotist. Like extreme extreme. He cannot see a future where he’s not on the throne.
in 4 years Trump will try to name a successor
That would require the narcissist to not think he’s still young and vibrant and will never die. He will go the same way his father did, being manipulated by the worst around him as he drifts into dementia. He will be propped up as a puppet as Reagan was.
He could postpone the election if America is at war.
“We have always been at war with Eastasia”
That’s funny, I could have sworn it was Eurasia last year. I must be mistaken.
WE FOUND A GOLDSTEIN SYMPATHIZER!!
I’m most certainly not. Oh look, time for The Two Minutes of Hate already. 📺
He will go the same way his father did, being manipulated by the worst around him as he drifts into dementia. He will be propped up as a puppet as Reagan was.
I’m quite sure that this is already the case.
Here’s a horrifying thought: JD’s Silicon Valley puppetmasters wait until Trump has served just over 2 years into his term, then invoke the 25th and install JD. In the meantime, the MAGA types work the system to ensure they can guarantee a Vance victory through whatever means necessary for the next 2 cycles (since his first abbreviated session won’t count as an official term), or a total of 10 years, before most Americans even realize we have sleepwalked into a Vance dictatorship funded by and primarily benefiting oligarchs like Musk and Thiel
Trump had a Republican majority in the House and Senate when he entered office in 2017. They were incompetent, and it took them a while to get anything done.
They didn’t have a Project 2025 game plan going in like they do now.
Yeah but he probably thought he was going to have 8 years in a row. Now he has bigger ass-kissers.
We’ll be fine. Yes shit will be fucked up but democracy will not die. We’ll try again in 2028 and thankfully Trump is capped out after this. Maybe midterms will show some shift
I hope you’re right.
I took this attitude the first time Trump was elected, and boy was I wrong. Not this time. Now, I’m seriously considering what his options might be for eliminating the election in 2028. He needs to clean the military brass of people disloyal to him, which he can easily do as Commander in Chief. Once he’s got a loyal military, there’s virtually nothing he can’t do; and this SCOTUS will let him do anything he wants, so long as it aligns with the view of Evangelical Christians, who have been wanting a theocracy for decades. He can conjure the specter of “Democrat corruption” to justify eliminating any opposition politicians as an official act, completely re-stock the FBI with loyalists to wage any legal battles he needs to make his actions seem legitimate and “official,” and arrest any problematic judges under the same “corruption” myth so that he can then replace them with loyalists.
Honestly, we’ve seen this playbook before in countries that are now dictatorships and Trump has already made it quite clear he wants to be a dictator. There is absolutely no reason to be convinced this will not happen. It might not happen, but there’s no reason to think definitely will not.
Hahaha you still think there will be elections. Cute!
Yes. Yes there will be. Even if everyone who voted for Trump is OK with it if you think the rest of America is just going to be ok with dismantling elections you’re being irrational.
This has happened plenty of times in other countries. To think it can’t happen here is what is irrational.
Naive.
Edit: I’m guessing you’re a straight with male with no children or family who are lgbtq.
Only part you got right is a straight male.
You are the naive one to think 1 moron can destroy America. Trump can not be a moron and a master manipulator at the same time. The reality is he is too stupid to break anything beyond what can’t be fixed. We will have to rebuild in 2028. Yes there will be hardships but nothing we can’t fix. The only thing he fumbled hard with was the COVID response. So here’s hoping we don’t have another pandemic
This is my thoughts as well. He is a really good bullshitter but isn’t able to get anything of substance done (for the most part). As long as the Republicans don’t get super majority, they won’t be able to do to much damage. My biggest fear is him getting more supreme court picks. I believe that’s going to cause the most lasting problems for our country.
This is such a dumb take. Just the fact you didnt mention something as clear as Ukraine’s genocide shows you have no idea what a corrupt idiot can do. He will be manipulated and it’s going to cause irreparable damage to society.
The question was how fucked is the US. Not Ukraine.
Exactly my point. You didn’t think about Ukraine, so of course you aren’t thinking of what this is going to do to the US when other countries abandon their deals too, and Trump retaliates/ sues.
Youre in for a wild economic ride. I guess americans not understanding this is why he got elected. In a way you deserve this.
Based on your comment you aren’t even American so you can shut up now. Only an idiot would answer a question about the US with “Well Ukraine blah blah blah”.
I didn’t mention Ukraine because the question had nothing to do with Ukraine. It’s not that deep. If you’re asking me how fucked is Ukraine, then yes they’re fucked. Sorry. I did my part and im not gonna let morons like you guilt trip me into beating myself up over it. I am along for the ride like everyone else.
People give zero shits who you have as a president and what discrimination you guys support. This election affects everyone, like it did last time.
If you think US foreign policy doesn’t affect the US itself, nobody can help you.
What you’re missing here is that he has an openly corrupt supreme court behind him and everyone who was willing to tell him no is long gone. We’ll see how it plays out but it’s going to be hard to come back from this, and the Democrats are going to have to start paying attention and actually doing what voters want or there’s no hope for them.
I’m not missing anything. He didn’t destroy the country last time so I’m confident we will survive. Enough with the doom and gloom. We need to unite and be positive if we want to see any kind of change. It’s not time to give up
That’s right, bringing race, gender, and other demographic variables into it totally makes your argument stronger. It definitely doesn’t expose your own prejudices at all, no siree.
Extremely, tarrifs will erase the middle class. All regulations will be repealed allowing even more corporate power and influence. We’re about to experience the Gilded Age on crack mixed with the burning hells of our mother Earth scorned.
Time to stock up on the automatic rifles they want us all to have so much, and learn carpentry to build some guillotines.
Maybe the French will help us again, they’ve got some experience with this.
We dont need guillotines. We need to heal our culture and unify Americans by ending the two party system that thrives off our division. We are so big we should be lead by a coalition of factions. Not whatever the fuck this is.
Ah yes, the same rhetoric that got us into this mess. Do nothing that actually makes a difference, but try to “fix” it from within. Meanwhile everything is being stolen with intentional legal loopholes.
How do you propose removing the two party system, which the two parties comprising the entirety of the government have every incentive to keep because it’s the only reason they have the power they do? The only way, as designed an within the existing system is to get enough representation in to force that change, which means replacing 2/3 of Congress essentially at the same time to force super majorities on both sides.
Do I need to remind everyone that the French Revolution eventually fed their own into the guillotines? No? We’re just keen on repeating every bit of history until we’re baked off this rock? Okay. Let’s do that instead of trying to ratify citizen petitions, getting collective action, and actually building a unified ideal over time. Nah, thats much too hard. Buy some wood, meet up with the three other willing people, and go stand outside some politicians house with a guillotine while he calls his donners all scared and they write up more protest laws.
Let’s do that instead of trying to ratify citizen petitions, getting collective action, and actually building a unified ideal over time.
Those work on a local level, not federal. Citizens have no control of anything Federal. The Federal government doesn’t have to listen to the citizens at all. The only consequence for them is during re-election. There they’ll just gerrymander the districts to force a win either way overall.
The federal government relies on each branch overseeing each other. And the Republicans have a stacked blatantly partisan Supreme Court that gave the office of the President total immunity. And a Republican majority in both sides of Congress completely willing to let Trump do what he wants as far of the plan.
Fixing this at a federal level will require getting to the exact opposite point we’re at now since we’ve allowed it to get to this point.
Then local it is. We gotta do something or die my guy.
Why do you need to learn carpentry? Isn’t it a slot with a big metal blade? Add a rope so you can pull it up, and let it go to make it work…
You don’t want it to fall apart after one use, see? Need to make sure it can stand up to the job. We don’t want to build to Harbor Freight standards here. Take pride in our work.
Look, I’m no guillotine-ologist, but I think if I was going to construct one I would forgo my usual method of measure once and cut 5 to 10 times until I have to go get another board because I’ve destroyed the last one.
Tariffs will not only erase the middle class but also erase our topsoil like it’s 1924 all over again if farmers aren’t subsidized and everything is left to go fallow. In terms of dollars we’re pretty even in terms of agricultural imports and exports, but in terms of acreage… We push a shitload of soy, corn, and wheat. We’re more than a little fucked in lots of ways if we’re hit with retaliatory tariffs, but the biggest one is if farmers don’t have any reason to plant crops and don’t have any money to do it, we’re doomed for dustbowl days.
Don’t even get me started on water, fluoride is one thing but if they start removing a lot of other stuff like phosphate and permanganate the entire country’s municipal water supply will be as bad as Flint MI.
I’m hoping Trump doesn’t pull off 95% of the stuff he talked about due to unbridled incompetence because if he still manages to pull off 80% of it we’re gonna be fucked
If he manages to pull off even 25% we will be fucked until the last soul melts on the 200 degree pavement. Its never the time for rehressionism, but now is especially a bad time.
We’re already net exporter of petroleum but they’re intending to carve up our parks and stuff, even though we won’t be able to sell it for more than the cost of producing it. Everyone will slam us with tariffs and go to other countries for their fix, and it’ll be cheaper than bottled water for us.
The idiots who don’t understand what a pronoun is and are terrified of their kids learning about them in English class will have cheap gas, but their kids will endure a literal hell for it.
And they’ll think Trump’s doing a good job for all of it, blame some totally unrelated shit for our interest rate being at 25%
I’m over it. Be fucking stupid. Sell shit out for cheap. Stain the future with the blood of our children. We are out of time on the climate. The Earth will swallow us as our madness consumes us. Its a triple pronged rape of humanity’s future.
No they’ll keep things like the farm subsidies, may even expand them. The tariffs will leave those out. That’s the socialism their base is 100% reliant on. They won’t risk turning on the rural farmers until the end when it they’re not a threat. They’ve already shown a complete willingness to ignore absolutely everything else until this point.
I’m hoping. Last trade war, Trump basically rolled out of bed one morning and decided to try it on China as some temporary transient thing in order to convey that the US has a lot of leverage (and it blew up in our faces), which is an entirely different beast than unilateral tariffs as part of fiscal policy. I have no clue how much it’d cost to just subsidize everything in perpetuity but I hope it isn’t some ridiculous sum.
He’ll probably do something like allowing us to sell semiconductors to foreign nations in exchange for dropping tariffs on agricultural exports which is also really fucking boneheaded. The art of the deal, giving away the only shit that has lots of value for us. China outpacing the US in tech is something Europe wouldn’t want, but if we cut ties with Europe they’d probably warm up to China and we’d become a really big insular nation that can’t even sustain its economy as is
Ending farming and allowing nature to return would prevent a dust bowl. Allowing a field to go fallow means that a whole lot of plants start growing.
It might do that in some fields but it’d take ages in those spots where all you see is corn as far as the eye can see. Might be switchgrass growing in a drainage ditch but it’d just creep in like capillary action on a paper towel. You’d need to have people out there casting seed at least
That’s because it is soil that has been destroyed through decades of mismanagement. That is what caused the previous dust bowl.
They’re done with the middle class here. They don’t want to raise the poverty level worldwide, they want to bring us down to match the rest of the world. It’s strip-mining time, we’re too expensive for the international rich’s tastes.
