• solsangraal@lemmy.zip
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    wow. kudos for being the “now that it’s too late to have an impact, i’m going to do the thing i should have done many months ago” president

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      At the start of the invasion Russia was claiming they finally had hypersonic nuclear missles. Meaning they could get nukes past defense systems. That is the reason the US was hesitant to let things escalate.

      Since then we’ve found out that Russias hypersonic missles had some misfires and still didn’t have the ability to steer at hypersonic speeds if I remember right.

      That plus the fact that Trump is months away from helping Russia changes the strategy.

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        Plus who knows, 😜, maybe I don’t have to work tomorrow!

        I mean, if I was mangled into 30753 pieces mixed in with the neighbors dog and Misses Jane’s tits on someone’s windshield which is also in 1000 pieces and on fire tomorrow, then I don’t have to go work.

        But all good 👍 if we can possibly get sadam putin in a bag and toss him into the ocean with honors. Or just in to a bag. Tomorrow or this coming week would be a good time for that.

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        all the more reason this (among other things) should have happened many months ago

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            you’re right. i’m just salty because we live in a fascist dictatorship now

            we’re basically russia. could biden have even done anything? i don’t even know

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                how do you organize with people who refuse to consider anything other than “maybe it won’t be that bad” or worse?

                if you have a network of people who you trust and are actually willing to take some kind of action beyond “oh well i guess this is life now,” then i’m officially jealous

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                  Well, a network of likeminded people won’t just find you. It’s something you’ve gotta seek out.

                  Look for local non-profits and political groups that advocate for the positions you care about and get involved.

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                  Also people can’t afford to miss a day of work and their employers are just waiting to fire them in support of their false God.

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                  Imagine being so completely neutered as a proletariat that your idea of emergency grassroots organizing is geared towards expanding nato

                  patriotic socialism is literally nazism

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                Have you seen what Russia does to people who organize? You get vanned lol

                I’m half expecting that to become reality in America

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              Not exactly russia.

              I know 2nd trump term is terrifying, I’m not denying that this will be worse than his first term, but the difference is that the US has the separation of powers between the states and the federal government. The check and balance within the federal government is gone, but we still have this final line of defence, that is federalism. States can resist tyranny of the federal government, if they have the willingness to do so. Remember, that states run elections, swing states do not all have a republican trifecta. And even in republican trifecta states, there is still the state judiciary, and we might still have some of those non-magas republicans like Raffensperger.

              The election in 2026 will likely be less free and fair than 2024, but with a large enough democratic margin of victory, democrats can still take back the house, maybe senate.

              Maybe I’m in denial, but I consider this view to be optimism. I thought people like Raffensperger would just cave in and do whatever trump wanted but they didn’t.

              Don’t give up hope. We’ll soon see if federalism really works, if states would find the will to resist a tyrannical federal government.

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                Time for those 2A proponents to step up… oh.

                No, I think your message is spot on. We’ll weather Trump, if a bit worse for the wear. We survived a literal civil war, we’ll survive him.

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                  The 2A solution is when there’s no hope of peace. You really don’t want them to remove the last option.

                  The 1st is so people can talk and work through differences. When he only thing left is to use the 2nd, nothing will put the Republic back together the same way.

                  If Congress, Supreme Court, or the Executive find a way to close the 2nd Amendment down. Then there’s no way for the people to fight against complete Tyranny when the time comes.

                  Home-grown insurgencies nearly always win. The US has never been able to win against them, just like Israel can’t win against Palestine. Insurgencies can only be negotiated with and always stop once freedom or rights are acknowledged.

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        Especially when they can be equipped with nuclear warheads and your enemy needs to decide what to do about that before they hit their targets

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    I believe NYT makes you login, even on a gift link. Here is a TLDR:

    President Biden has authorized Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) to strike Russian and North Korean forces in Russia, a significant shift in U.S. policy. This decision comes in response to Russia’s introduction of North Korean troops into the conflict and their anticipated assault on Ukrainian forces in the Kursk region.

    The move reflects growing concerns over Ukraine’s ability to withstand simultaneous assaults while defending territory. The authorization aims to bolster Ukraine’s defense, target high-value military assets, and deter North Korean involvement. However, it has sparked debate among U.S. officials over escalation risks, as Russia might retaliate against the U.S. or its allies.

    President-elect Donald Trump, who has vowed to reduce U.S. support for Ukraine, is set to take office in two months, adding urgency to the decision. The Ukrainian strategy may include using captured Russian territory in Kursk as leverage in potential future negotiations. Meanwhile, the risk of Russian countermeasures remains a central concern for Biden’s administration and its allies.

    My take: I’ve been waiting on this since the US election. It’s sound strategy of we believe Putin won’t want to escalate with NATO before Trump takes office.

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    While they won’t be able to reach Moscow with these, even from within Kursk, I am willing to bet the authorization was withheld on intelligence grounds. A lot of things in the war make sense if you look at it from the perspective that arms support can’t be guaranteed.

    Instead of letting Ukraine just burn through weapons, the US and allies have waited until they have the full operational capability to deploy the weapons with extreme effectiveness. They’ve had ATACMS for a while, so I suspect they held off deep strikes until the most effective targets had been identified and the likelihood of effective strike was near certain.

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      That’s giving everyone involved a lot of credit. To be honest, I sort of doubt these decisions were quite that rational.

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        Blindly stumbling along then trying to pretend it was 4D chess all along sounds much more like us

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        Credit where credit is due though, the US and NATO know a few things about blowing shit up

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      Too little, too late. Just allowing it in kursk.

      At least uk and france gave ukraine the green for using their weaponry in russia.

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      So… just always give Putin whatever he wants anytime he wants without limit?

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        There is alternative to MAD. Nuking US ships and foreign military bases, is not missiles headed to US, and doesn’t trigger 6000 missiles back. It is only launching 1000+ ICBMs that triggers MAD response, and US destroyed, btw.

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      Russia isn’t gonna nuke us. At most he’ll nuke Ukraine. Nuking Ukraine will not lead to western countries nuking Russia, but if russia nukes a nato country, they’re dead too.

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      The rational move by Russia would be to withdraw from Ukraine before launching nukes. Nobody wants to conquer irradiated land, and the Ukranians would agree to a ceasefire.

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      Perhaps you’re missing the end result of applying your logic everywhere. For instance, in place of Europe, there would be Nazi Germany, still existing, and looking forward to actually being a thousand-year reich.

      I don’t see any way this logic could work without the world turning into fascist hellholes.

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          I’m feeling some unease at the thought that having atomic bombs allows conquering nations without consequences.

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              Not disagreeing there. Some actual diplomacy would be great.

              Funny personal thing is that used to have dreams (not really nightmares) that always ended with nuke mushroom clouds rising in the horizon. Those dreams stopped on February 2022.

              Or I suppose they became daydreams.

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    Too late.

    Americans chose to abandon Ukraine when they elected Donald Trump and his Republican enablers.

    Russia will win, there will be one less democratic nation on the planet, Russia will expand their borders, and Europe/NATO will be threatened.

    Thanks conservatives, 3rd party voters, single issue voters, and non-voters. You really thought this one through.

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    I’m seeing a lot of comments taking this literally or saying why didn’t he do this before –

    You all realise this is a very powerful symbolic gesture, right? This is a diplomatic move, not a literal one. The president of the US would never strike at this time in this kind of proxy war, and this is the closest ‘fuck you’ he can issue at Russia (which, again, would not be said aloud).

    There’s nothing the US president could do to poke the Russian bear –other than escalate it to a hot war – other than this. This is an outgoing diplomatic move, and that is all.

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    They only have 300 km range. They are very nice but still. Pretty sure Ukraine has struck further inland with drones.

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    something about this seems kind of fucky. the time to do this was years ago. what is brandon’s calculation? that russia won’t do shit because their bitch is taking over? or is he finally convinced, somehow, that russia could never do shit in the first place?

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      I think north Korea entering the fight likely has a lot to do with it.

      Plus now trump will have to actively take this permission away as opposed to not giving it.

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        it just seems like something outside of brandon’s ability, doing something strategic to fuck trump. the north korea angle i agree with.

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        it smacks of desperation. but whatever damages russia can only be seen as a boon for humanity. i think brandon may be trying to salvage some positive glimmer in what is otherwise his historic failure of a presidency.

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            it’s obviously a desperate attempt at fixing his epic cowardly fuckup in ukraine. both sides can be desparate, in case you are unaware.

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          Historic failure? I think domestically he has been an excellent President. Probably better than Obama. We got really lucky or he did a good job with inflation and the soft landing.

          We had much lower inflation than most nations. Gaza left a nasty stain, but that was a small part of what he did as President.

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          but whatever damages russia can only be seen as a boon for humanity.

          Yes, I too get $1 trickled down everytime Russia loses $1. My life is invested in the high oil prices since the war started, and I hope more services are cut so that more can be spent to diminish Russia. I’m sure the US will win a nuclear war too, so everything will be worth it. Saying this, helps make sure I get a spot in the VIP nuclear bunkers when the Fallout Boy reality will surely just get us to support the rulership of those who destroyed the US.

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        Yeah. I have voted D my entire life and you fucks can’t understand the simple reality that this guy fucked us with his hubris.

        Check my fucking comment history, you imbecile.

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          Given our shared appreciation for music featuring electric sitar solos, I apologize