What’s the split on ports in blue states vs red states?
Pretty much all in Blue states - the Red states have no pacific access and lode out on the eastern megacity.
New Orleans though. It’s probably the most important port in the country
And how long till it’s under water with no blue state or blue state taxes to bail it out? Same with Florida. Good riddance to a buncha bad.
It’s certainly up there - LA and TX have a lot of shipping capacity:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ports_in_the_United_States
Carried by Florida and Louisiana.
The United States has 4 significant maritime features: the Atlantic coast, the pacific coast, the Great Lakes (sometimes called the north coast), and the Mississippi which is a river that is able to stand next to the Amazon and Nile, but is surrounded by arable and hospitable land.
For the Atlantic coast the major ports are largely in the northeast, florida, and Louisiana. They’d be able to build up South Carolina I’m sure, and if they need to can probably build up Alabama and Mississippi. But no real issues because they’d have Florida and New Orleans.
The Pacific coast is California, Oregon, and Washington( with its major ports being some of the bluest cities in the country. Though the non contiguous states are both pacific, but alaska swings and is contrary and Hawaii is blue and in the middle of the ocean. That’s irrelevant though because they’re accessed by air and sea. They get nothing there snd would rely on the Panama Canal.
The Great Lakes are a blue region. Michigan swings, as does Wisconsin, but the bluest part of Ohio aside from Columbus is the northern coastline (obviously especially Cleveland), the bluest region of Indiana is their northern coastline, and every other Great Lakes state is either blue or swing. And thanks to canals the Great Lakes allow for goods to be sent to the ocean, but it’s through the northeast so in a hostile situation Indiana and Ohio are basically landlocked. I imagine because of that Wisconsin and Michigan would go blue. It’s just too advantageous to not (similar to Kentucky and Maryland in the civil war)
The Mississippi is where they’d thrive. Louisiana is a major hit to the blue states here, the Mississippi is one of our country’s best economic features, and they’d be getting most states that border it, which doesn’t matter because they’d also be getting the outlet. The trumpistani economy would more or less be entirely dependent on it. And blockading the Mississippi is not only an obvious thing to do if civil war, it’s something the north did in the last one
Depends on how long hurricane season is. And how much more powerful hurricanes will get.
About the only thing that would make me happier than to have the entire pacific west coast secede and create a sovereign nation would be for Trump to do it for us so we don’t have to fight a war over it. You want us gone? Please, show us the exit, we’ll be on our way. No takebacksies.
I’m hoping for Cascadia.
Can the Northeast join? No one in MA for example wants to be part of MAGA Land.
Iirc one of
MAME electoral votes will go to Trump, ao nlt really no-oneEdit: I’m stupid. MA is Massachusetts which is blue af (every county iirc). Maine is ME
You mean Maine? MA doesn’t split.
I am too confidently incorrect sometimes. I’m not from the US, I thought you meant Maine.
Maine is, sadly, ME. It’s very weird. I think MN is Minnesota even tho MI feels more sensible but it’s Michigan. I think they did their best given what they had to work with :(
If it weren’t mainly a rural vs. urban split, I’d be all for the fascists getting their own country to ruin. But we’re too spread out to make it feasible.
Yeah, we’d essentially become three countries - the West, the East, and the No-Go Zone in the middle. Just get us New Mexicans to somewhere decent before all borders close.
Brother we don’t even like the old Mexicans. You’ll probably be in cuffs before someone can find the crayons to explain to trump the difference between Mexico and New Mexico.
😂 oh boy true
You could all just join Canada if you want to stay connected.
As a Minnesotan. Would love to.
If it weren’t mainly a rural vs. urban split, I
Yeah, we’d have to move them somewhere, perhaps down South… Make the link around say Virginia… Sounds familiar, but I can’t lay my finger on it…
So they know that Texas doesn’t have a GDP high enough to even run all their red catastrophies, right? I’m kidding, I know they don’t know. They probably also don’t know that CA would be the third largest super power if they ever let us go. Which they won’t. At all.
Californians are in an abusive relationship. Blamed for everything and not allowed to leave
And we pay them more money than we use for ourselves.
Just let us have our fires in peace damnit!
I don’t know, they are certainly close to dumb enough to sign off on it. Or, you know, we can just do it and ignore the rules since they are all so fond of that now.
California should secede and kick off the great (terrible) balkanization of the formerly united states
NCR & The North East republic
Vs
Yeehawistan
Unfortunately that would cause a Pakistan-Bangladesh situation with a country connected by airlines. Except worse because Illinois, Minnesota, Colorado, and New Mexico would be enclaves in trumpistan
It would be great if Canada could peacefully annex “America” and leave 4th World Dumbfuckistan to themselves.
What did Colorado ever do to deserve this?
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Ooo. Maybe she should be secretary of the treasury.
Don’t threaten me with a good country.
Can Canada take the coastal states?
Can Minnesota come along too? We’re basically in Canada here already.
You folks talk with a Canadian dialect.
Yes. But please make sure to throw away your trash before you come live with us.
Only if you bring a hot dish.
Mac and cheese please
I think the Canadians call that “Kraft Dinner”.
I mean… as long as California takes Colorado and New Mexico with it, I see no real issues with that. We get the economy, the nature, and the nukes.
Yep. Best Christmas present they could offer.
Do it. Push her harder.
Aren’t the nukes in Montana and the dakotas? Though I’m under the impression we also keep some silos in the rural northeast.
Here is a handy map of some of our nukes as of 2006 https://uploads.fas.org/sites/4/NotebookMap.pdf
But also? The expertise to maintain and build nukes are very much California and New Mexico as that is where the three major NNSA labs and their support facilities are.
Did not expect the distribution to be like that, especially with blue states having nearly as many as red and swing states combined. For anyone curious: Blue state nukes-4324 Red state nukes-2266 Swing state nukes-2454
Washington really surprised me but it makes a lot of sense actually. I knew there were none at Wright patt because you learn that growing up in Dayton, they can’t risk the aliens.
And yeah I knew albequerque is one of the most critical cities for our ability to project nuclear force and that we make and test them in New Mexico and that Colorado is home to norad command. I just had also thought there were some hidden in Appalachia in upstate New York or something or one of the other eastern mountain ranges
Swing states might have voted Trump, but those coward tards would follow the money in a secession situation, so I think the majority and their nukes would be on the sane blue side
Please don’t use ableist hate speech.
Eh, k. Coward garbage humans.* FTFY.
Something that I learned recently makes this flag make absolutely no sense.
The bear on the flag of The Republic of California, is extinct, and has been since the 1920s. Therefore in the Fallout universe, that bear is also extinct. None of them could have mutated into the two headed version. Where the heck did this flag come from?
They still would have had the original California flag; the NCR flag would have been based on it, probably to deliberately harken back to the time before the restructuring of the country into the 13 Commonwealths divided the state in two
We’ll bring along Oregon and Washington, at least the west halves, and call the country the Collective of American States.
Sounds good to my rainy ears here in Seattle 😎
Lets go for the Fallout 2 version I want to annoy everyone.
I have never seen this version before. This flag makes even less sense than the standard NCR flag.
Its from Fallout 2 and was used in some Fallout New Vegas concept art.
…yeah, ok. Sounds good.
moves to California
It’ll never happen. US Military would never willingly split itself apart, let itself get split apart, or let another nation that it’s not allied with have any sort of Army on its equivalent. The 50 states are here to stay.
<General Sherman claws his way out of the grave.>
Sherman should have kept burning the traitors.
Dude should have gone west after Savannah, Atlanta has its shit mostly together now
Cop City not withstanding
Agreed, but that seems more a reaction to the progress than a symptom of it not happening.
Never say never. The domestic terrorists/agents of Putin are aching for an actual shooting civil war.
Even a peaceful division of the US would be something they would seriously benefit from. The US permanently divided against itself, each side easy to manipulate into a military conflict against the other. We would have nukes pointed at each other within a decade. It would be like the splitting of India and Pakistan, along with all the accompanying human rights atrocities.
Also how long before an invasion? They’re fascists, fascists don’t sit still while experiencing consequences, they invade
The US military is going to be replaced by Trump loyalists. Whatever he wants to happen is what’s gonna happen.
I doubt it. He can barely run his shit past the civilian government. I’d be surprised if he knows that the UCMJ exists. The brass aren’t going to just fall in line, they know what an illegal order is, and what to do when they are given one.
He may manage to be the first POTUS that is ever told by the military that they have no confidence in him, and will refuse to take orders from him.
Maybe. But I also see a lot of trump support within the military. I really don’t think it will be as cut and dry as you say. Especially if he goes through with his prosecuting and removal of every military officer involved in the Afghanistan exit, which to me just seems like a way to pick and choose loyalists in his military.
That’s the thing he is going to find out. There are procedures for these things, and I seriously doubt that he can luck into getting consistent panels of 5 JAG that will throw the book at people over fabricated evidence. Also what he isn’t taking into account is that all of them have the defence that he ordered them to do it, so the buck stops with him. Having the military put the POTUS under military tribunal because he forced them to would be pretty funny though.
It’s expansive here in the places you may want to live, but seriously… It’s worth it. There’s also a lot of cheap places that aren’t as ideal.
I’ve got “Hotel California” and “San Francisco” battling it out in my head now.
Two of the worst ones.
Such a lovely choice. /s
They both somehow fit the situation.
How about Going to California?
“someone told me there’s a girl out there, with love in her eyes and flowers in her hair”
Damn is that a great little tune, such a warm sound too
California Girls. And I’m not specifying which one
The fact that ya didnt list California Dreamin annoys me.
The mamas and papas make me want to punch myself when I hear them.
You could listen to the Beach Boys version.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard this…I’ll probably check it out
Failed mouthpiece for evil reasserts itself as newer, more extreme evil.
Predictable. The donvict-humpers supposedly “win”, and then get even MORE angry. Why so angry?
I suspect it’s because for this brief period of time, anyway, it’s hard for them to avoid just how HATED they and their precious golden donvict truly are. They thought they’d “win” and all the normal Americans around them would just disappear. And yet, Karens like Green continue to get confronted by normal people.
Why so angry? It’s all they know…
The donvict-humpers supposedly “win”, and then get even MORE angry. Why so angry?
Because we’ve stolen their martyrdom from them by losing.
This is outrageously anecdotal but the trumpers I know were all grins on the day after until they realized we weren’t gonna just get over this and they just labeled themselves. They seem pissy now, and one in my office in particular that used to chat with me about sports is really broken up I don’t want to anymore
They seem pissy now, and one in my office in particular that used to chat with me about sports is really broken up I don’t want to anymore
Yeah, the Professional Left did an entire section about this and they mentioned the case where some husband is completely gobsmacked that his wife filed for divorce.
But yeah, I’ve seen the same thing and heard about it from others. Lots of quiet interactions about how so and so is a big proponent of donvict; don’t invite him/her to {whatever social function}.
The refrain of “yeah, but let’s just agree to disagree” - I can see why many people, especially those most at risk thanks to what they wan, are thinking: “YEAH, FUCK THAT. You just voted to harm me, and you want to act like it’s just a disagreement?”
Marjorie Taylor Dumbfuck here doesn’t realize that her state, and in fact all Republican-led states, are solely dependent on blue state generosity in order to continue to exist. I’m sure the blue states would absolutely love for these freeloading welfare states to leave the union, because it would offer an immediate federal surplus that could be better allocated on themselves. It will never happen, because the smart conservatives love having a never-ending money faucet they can gargle when their economic plans fail due to their own ineptitude.
Poetic, and agreed on all points. I stress because if these fucking morons are dumb enough to try, I have to predict it so I can get the fuck out before everything collapses.
I would have imagined you Americans would have liked your country united as it was through your whole lives. Looking at the comments tho… Instead of WW3 we’ll see US Civil War 2?
Why not both?
I’m hoping Cascadia finally gets realized. I want to uninvite Idaho, though.
Boise is pretty rad tho
Too bad you guys and Idaho are gonna be New NorCal.
We already are already. (Seattle)
They can enjoy both potatoes and Drag Queen Story Time.
