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    10 days ago

    Independently verifiable detail number 28543 showing that Trump and everyone he has appointed are unfit for office, and that no one who voted for him will ever care about, and from which no consequences will ever flow.

    I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters. – Mr. Donald J. Trump

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      Could everyone please stop repeating “nothing will ever come of this” every time fucked up shit happens?

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        Man I don’t have enough time in the day to be doing that.

        I save my cynical outbursts for when he gets caught. And I have reasons, though you may not agree with them.

        I think it’s important not to lose sight of the fact that our government is incapable of dispensing consequences to this man, regardless of what he does, regardless of where his loyalties clearly lie, regardless of how he continually works at the destruction of the United States of America. So we’re not surprised at where things are four years from Jan 21 like we were four years from Jan 06.

        While we are all tempted by the complacent comfort of “someone in government will handle it” now that he’s actually at the peak of his power, it seems key that we all remember “no one in government handled it” for four years when he was out of power and arguably at his weakest.

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    Literally zero chance they weren’t monitoring his phone while he was in the country.

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        Doesn’t matter if you’re using a compromised device. Given the number of people in the group chat, that at least some of them were using personal devices, and all of them are high value targets… I wouldn’t be so confident that this chat wasn’t intercepted.

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          Or, y’know, a random journalist you fatfingered. I wouldn’t really use the word “interception” for either, though.

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      Who thinks he needs to intercept them?

      He was probably told before any of these guys.

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          Or even during. People think about Louis XVI getting chopped, but never the people who did the chopping getting chopped x4. And then, yes, Louis XVIII.

          The real fruits of the revolution were from the seeds it planted blooming decades later in the Victorian era. Living through it just sounds like it sucked. They were a generation of martyrs for a liberal democratic future they barely got to see the beginnings of.

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    If the GOP had an iota, a molecule, a QUARK of integrity, the cabinet would be impeached en masse. They are a disaster.

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      It’s almost incomprehensible. This is historical, it will be in history books in a hundred years.

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    They should have left their personal phone at home, and brought a burner. Without the fun apps on it.

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    Looks like Russia won the ideological war and will be exporting authoritarianism to the globe.

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      Nahhhh according to the tankies of .ml, Russia is just trying to export humanity-saving peace, love and socialism but has just been continuously beaten down by the big bad US :(

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      The main thing to remember about authoritarians is that none have ever been documented to be impervious to small pieces of metal moving at high speed.

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      This isn’t a nationalist idea … the oligarchs have won and are exporting authoritarianism to the globe. Most or the majority of people everywhere just want to have a peaceful life whether they are in the US, Russian, China or anywhere on the globe … it’s oligarchs and wealthy morons that think they can manipulate everyone, everywhere all the time and allow them to become rulers of the universe.

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        i’ll have you know that social contract that formed in russia after 90s looks just like that: citizens fuck off from politics in return for some prosperity. every time when russian state expected that that won’t last due to things like 2008 crisis or covid or what have you, they started a war as a distraction and to rally around the flag some nationalists. now they’re on 4th attempt, this one was due to post-covid recession. difference is, this time they were high on their own supply of propaganda and planned accordingly. they also can’t back down because they see it as a weakness, and that would mean a coup

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        I assume for that to happen, a significant portion of the American political system would be in trouble. It’s not so much that Trump is some unique phenomenon, it’s more like he’s not subtle about it. We’re being screwed every day by the leader class, they’re just quiet enough about it that most people go back to their NASCAR and high-fructose corn syrup snacks.

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          I think Trump’s actions are not particularly unique, but he’s doing actions that have been previously condemned and in the minority. I’m not so naive as to think that all corruption can be eliminated, but when it’s out in the open and the people are getting away with it in the open, that’s much worse than what had happened before. Trump is a unique phenomenon in that sense and the sheer number of illegal things he’s doing.

          We were heading towards something like Trump eventually if you track what monied interests, through the GOP, have been doing since at least when Nixon resigned. I’m sure the GOP were hoping to pick their guy instead of Trump, with Russia’s help, taking advantage of what they were setting up.

          I get that there have also been corrupt Dems, and there so are, like Nancy Pelosi, but they’re not the primary avenue of the oligarchs to enact their agenda. Though they have captured the Dem leadership as well.

          But I would welcome a more robust system to root out corruption. And for laws to be applied equally. If that takes out a significant portion of the government, then I think that’s fine, as long as it’s not some bullshit like what’s currently going on.

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      Are you just figuring that out now? Attacking all its allies is what did it for me.

      The US is a captured state now, and there are only a few ways out; voting is not one of them.

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        Welcome to the party pal, most of us knew it was traitor town when “Russia if your listening” was said on national TV.