Evangelicals Are Now Rejecting ‘Liberal’ Teachings of Jesus
“Multiple pastors tell me, essentially, the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount, parenthetically, in their preaching’turn the other cheek’[and] to have someone come up after to say, ‘Where did you get those liberal talking points?’” Moore said.
“When the pastor would say, ‘I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ’ … The response would be, 'Yes, but that doesn’t work anymore. That’s weak,” he added. “When we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we’re in a crisis.”
Same flawed logic the Russian Orthodox Church used to support Russia’s invasion of Ukraine
And people dont understand why I say the orange clown is an Antichrist and may be the Antichrist.
The doomed by a perfect circle is very disturbing accurate.
Yeah I’m not a Christian, and I know many Christians hate the “reasonable hope for salvation of righteous nonbelievers” thing, but I’ll say this, I’ve got a strong suspicion that if I’m wrong about the veracity of Christianity then Jesus will still prefer my behavior to the maga christians’
Came here to share the same article.
It’s truly uncanny
I reckon it has a lot to do with personality traits of evil people
Yeah, while there are a few odd specifics that line up, most of the predictions are just describing the personality traits of a tyrant.
That’s also how I interpret the traits.
It’s common warning signs but using colorful language.
If someone asked me what Trump sounded like I would never think about a lion. His voice is nasally and weak. That part reminded me a lot more of Hitler yelling into a microphone
That guy is still in a doomsday cult in his head.
Ehh, isn’t the antichrist supposed to be a nearly impossibly attractive person, in charisma and looks? A lot of people either hate him or are entirely indifferent and the reasons don’t seem to be religiously motivated.
I just settle with him being a douchebag.
isn’t the antichrist supposed to be a nearly impossibly attractive person
Premillennial dispensationalism/rapture theology is a group creative writing exercise with little relevance to the text. The prophecies in Daniel refer to the Greek king Antiochus, which is clear when one reads chapters and not verses (unfortunately uncommon in your typical Protestant church…) Revelation is referring to emperor Nero.
Really, it’s more that folks like Hal Lindsey popularized the concept by traumatizing children in church basements that’s given it the culture cachet.
As others have said, that part’s more modern. But also, look at what’s going on, a lot of people hate him, but he has some sort of charisma to draw so many people to lockstep with him.
And one of the big things in revalations about the antichrist is that a lot of Christians will follow him because their faith is tainted and corrupted
This is still what baffles me. We aren’t losing our country to a charismatic, two faced mastermind. We’re losing our country to a fucking obvious loser. He’s literally so bad it’s hard to parody him since even the parodies are tame in comparison to what he actually does. It’s ridiculous
Most people are not sharp enough to see that.
We are doomed by the cuts to education they made 40 years ago
Don’t forgot about how all his weird followers depict him in their fan art though…. They seem to at least perceive him as exactly that.
Their new Jesus is Trump.
Prosperity gospel has been shitting on the red text of Christ for decades now.
Jesus hated wealth inequality. The only group he said would never enter heaven were the wealthy (“easier to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven”, in other words, it isn’t possible for the rich to enter heaven). Jesus also violently flipped tables and whipped the wealthy to drive them out of temples.
So conservative “Christians” abandoned the teachings of Christ many decades ago.
Visions of religious leaders sitting in golden chairs and crying out for donations…
How did we get here? It’s not a mystery, it’s a cautionary tale.
Not just the wealthy, but people who were using the temple as a place of business (and likely ripping people off on interest)
Yeah, it was the moneychangers and the stall keepers that tolerated them.
It was a religious duty to contribute money for the upkeep of the temple. So people would come from out of town and try to hand over their cash and the priests would say “we can’t accept foreign coinage… go talk to that dude over there with the heavy pockets, he’ll help you”. And the moneychanger would convert their currency, but not without keeping a fat percentage for himself.
The lesson (as I read it) is that setting yourself up as a gatekeeper and forcing people to pay you in order to do the right thing is an especially odious behaviour, even if it’s legal.
The actual story of the money changers is worse than most people know.
See, as part of their religious observance, the ancient Hebrews made a pilgrimage to the Temple. This was a mandatory part of their faith, much like the Hajj is for modern Muslims.
Those who were too poor to bring their own sacrifice could buy one at the Temple, but the Temple didn’t take the coin of the realm (the Roman coins), they only accepted Shekels.
So, the Money Changers. They set up in the Temple itself and were fleecing pilgrims of all their money.
In comes Jesus, who flipped tables and broke out the whip, and less than a week later he was crucified.
And this is the only part of the bible that I believe is 100% historically accurate. A peace loving Rabbi threw a fit over the Money Changers and was crucified for it.
I had understood it to be even worse:
The sacrifices at the temple were expected to be pretty much perfect, and had to be found acceptable by the temple priests. So the merchants would get “pre-blessed” sacrifices that they would sell at exorbitant prices to the pilgrims, who would have the sacrifices they brought deemed “inadequate” by the priests.
So if you brought an animal sacrifice, you’d still have to buy another (costly) animal. If you brought money, you’d be forced to exchange it at a significant loss.
The whole thing was an obvious scam, and Jesus was killed over it (and the rest of his message). I don’t believe he was God Incarnate, but I’m still a big fan of Jesus the man.
I’m pretty confident that all would have gone about the same way in this era.
Jesus didn’t talk about wealth inequality in that way, as far as wealth being bad. His point was that the wealthy tend to think they have it all and are in need of nothing. Mostly that the richer you are, the more you love money than God.
He wasn’t just flipping tables and whipping wealthy people. They were at the temple making money off of selling animals to sacrifice for sins. They had made a business of selling indulgences basically, that was the issue.
Jesus didn’t talk about wealth inequality in that way, as far as wealth being bad.
He flat-out said, if you’re rich in this life, you’ve had your reward already and you won’t get into heaven.
And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’” And he said to him, “Teacher, all these I have kept from my youth.” And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” Disheartened by the saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
Mark 10:17-22
Perfect example.
- The rich man loved his wealth more.
- “And Jesus, looking at him, loved him…” He didn’t whip him and tell him to leave, he loved him.
And Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How difficult it will be for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God!” And the disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said to them again, “Children, how difficult it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” And they were exceedingly astonished, and said to him, “Then who can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man it is impossible, but not with God. For all things are possible with God.” Peter began to say to him, “See, we have left everything and followed you.” Jesus said, “Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel, who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and the last first.”
Mark 10:23-31
Historical Jesus was not on team money and power I don’t think.
Great wealth corrupts people. Jesus did say that even rich people can be saved though. But only with the power of God.
Seems like it would be pretty difficult to get a camel through a needle eye. (That “oh he was actually referring to a gate” is modern horseshit apologetics designed for rich Christians to justify having money btw, totally made up.)
Technically the Bible had been changing since Jesus’s death
The gospels were probably not written until many decades after his death.
Yeah - stuff we consider the canon was essentially wrapped up by about 100 CE.
The gospels were likely individuals taking other written material that was circulating around the time, and making their own little compilation based on the theological points that they wanted to make.
It’s really clear when you read the gospels and know the order. Mark was probably first, Matthew and Luke pull heavily from Mark and share something from something we call “Q” and maybe a “saying source.” Then John was written last.
It’s really clear when you look at the differences between the scene where they go to get Jesus’s body. In Mark - it’s just a guy who tells them Jesus isn’t there. Matthew has an earthquake and an Angel, Luke has two angels, John has Jesus himself say hi. John is where you get the most “divine” Jesus - because it really does seem that at first Jesus was understood as a mortal man speaking for God, but later influences from Greek philosophy and thoughts about “spirit” slowly turned Jesus into God.
easier to pass through the eye of a needle
Easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle…
Some bootlickers go through ridiculous contortions to avoid the plain sense of this analogy: “The Eye of the Needle was a gate in Jerusalem!” (That excuse was a late medieval fabrication by an indulgence-selling cleric craving donations from aristocrats-- there’s no such gate and never was, and if there was one, the saying would make no sense).
I guess we’re going to get more denominational splits based on if Jesus’ teachings about loving others is Biblically accurate. Yet another reason why he isn’t coming back.
Hearing voices from people that aren’t real is a pretty serious mental condition. I’m convinced religion and all the evil committed on its behalf all just trace back to the root of shit mental healthcare.
On a similar note, the old testament had a historical purpose - to unite disparate tribes and create a national identity against the threat posed by the Assyrian and Babylonian Empires.
The new testament is just a collections of writings and letters. We have no idea who wrote them, they lied on the cover saying the texts are written by the apostles. And by a pretty arbitrary process, a bunch of priests picked their favorite writings and made them into a cannon.
If the same thing happened today, nobody would believe them outside maybe a fringe cult.
PRIESTS made a cannon out of BOOKS‽ That’s some Warhammer shit.
Seriously though, it’s canon.
Not according to my head-cannon.
Easy there, Tankmon
Perhaps partly, my personal belief is the is traces back to early tribal days. I believe the first cultural leaders likely struggled with retaining control and authority at a certain point. After all, there is only so much you can threaten people with to keep them in like. The worse of which is death. A sufficiently motivated person may not care about their physical well-being if they want to achieve a important enough goal. Create an invisible “soul” and a space wizard that determines if that soul gets bliss or torture after death and it adds a new level of control.
Problem with that hypothesis is that pre modern people treated death very differently with in many places it was quite literal and physical, for example in ancient Germanic societies they thought of the underworld as someplace only the dead could travel to as in the actual corpses went to the underworld at night and returned to their grave during the day. Hell we can even see the ideas of the soul being refined during the Hellenic period with most philosophers settling on it being an “animating force” which is vague but about right with the ancient Greeks. The idea of the soul is probably relatively recent IE middle stone age at the earliest, and probably evolved out of far more ancient animistic traditions.
The problem is, from what I’ve heard, the black plauge killed all the good priests. Since they were the ones to go and read a person’s last will and testament, they would also end up catching the plauge a lot of the time. So eventually all the smart and respectable priests died, leaving them desperate for anyone. So from then the churches have been lead by undesirable
That sounds like blaming nature for human maliciousness.
What? Priests before the plauge were the ones who could read and write, and were chosen to be good carriers of the message. And those people, thinking they were doing the right thing by helping the dying go to heaven, caught the disease which wasn’t known as the black plauge yet.
They were wiped out almost immediately because of it. The churches then went to the second options, which followed soon after. It kept going until the churches were desperate for anyone to go a say the last rites.
So yeah then malicious people ended up taking over, but nature definitely caused the change.
Malicious people infiltrate structures with strong authority all the time. They just need time to work their way up, not a plague.
It is funny that you think shitty priests were just hanging in the wings as second stringers.
It is funny how I said the second stringers died soon after the first and you just completely disregarded that
The churches then went to the second options, which followed soon after. It kept going until the churches were desperate for anyone to go a say the last rites.
Your point is correct, no church was infallible before the plauge happened. I’m just stating the plauge made it exponentially easier for infiltration to occur as those opposing it were literally dying trying to be good people.
*plague
Noooo I though I escaped this shit.
Noooo I though I escaped this shit.
…which shit? You’re in a community called comicstrips and it’s a comic strip.
The bad ones. That are obviously botted. This shit would always be at the top of the page on Reddit. And it’s never funny.
beep boop
I’m not sure I follow. This doesn’t seem “obviously botted” to me. Is it not possible that different people find different things funny and we don’t all share one common sense of humor?
(Or, I suppose, that comic strips can have value beyond humor.)
Some people don’t think about how they feel and invent reasons or stories to explain their illogical reactions like hating a particular artist’s style or something. They’re afraid that they don’t have a good reason to dislike something popular so they invent justifications.
Are you just saying you don’t like pizzacake comics? She’s a real person, not a bot, her comics are popular. It’s okay to just not like a particular artist or creator. Just be honest about it.
edit: reminder people, your brain invents stories to explain how you feel, and most people never question these stories because they think if their own brains are thinking things, it MUST be true, and they think that brains are logical tools for figuring out the world.
NO, your brain is a tool for storytelling, nothing more. It tells you stories to explain how you feel, and it has no obligation to tell stories that make a lick of sense. This is why you get depressed and ruminate and the feelings get worse. This is why people live their whole lives in a belief system that harms them. Understand how your brain works and you won’t be like this user here, flinging out weak, nonsense arguments to explain not liking a popular thing.
Being a real christian is about to become cool, I guess?
Anyone have the background link explaining this?
Not a pastor, but this is what a certain used car-company salesman is spouting:
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/05/politics/elon-musk-rogan-interview-empathy-doge/index.html
I posted a comment here with the context
Yeah, glad to see the specific instance but after trying to search I see this seems to be a broader doctrine. That you would absolutely hate people who “deserve” to be hated, accordingly to the viewpoint of whoever is preaching regardless of whether that person’s situation actually affects anyone other than themselves.
It’s kind of like the evil twin of “be tolerant, except of intolerance”: “be tolerant only of intolerance”
There’s an argument going around evangelical circles that “empathy” is more dangerous than compassion, with the analogy of jumping in to save someone in quicksand, but getting stuck yourself (empathy) vs throwing someone a rope and keeping your footing (compassion). Like if you understand a bad person’s thinking too much, you are dragged into their sin.
There’s even a tinge of women being more empathetic and “susceptible” than men.
It’s how it sounds.
Dig into the argument, and they all eventually end up focusing on dangerous progressive causes as tempting Christians, basically, and it feels like they’re trying to twist scripture into current MAGA doctrine. JD Vance (a Catholic, not evangelical IIRC) said something related on immigration, that loving your family and those close to you comes before loving distant neighbors, which the Pope very pointedly refuted.
The mindset of magatards.
I wish pizza cake had her own sublemmy(slemmy/summy?)
She probably won’t because as far as I know, it’s not possible to sue a lemmy community, so… threats won’t work here.
Yeah, I don’t want to see stuff from a person who threatens to sue subreddits for making fun and criticizing their comics
(community)
This is the comic that makes pandering public comics to promote their paid art
Which might be fine, but it seems like good context to know.
How is that relevant in this context?
Unless there’s some context I’m missing, that business model sounds… reasonable?
What you’re describing just sounds like advertisement.
Interesting. You know I wonder…
If we were them, and worried about e.g. making rent, maybe we’d start a second pandercomic brand to pander to conservatives too
(Oh of course - being disingenuous is never ideal, thanks for pointing this out)
Apparently she has a lot of fans, because people are really offended by what I thought was a pretty neutral comment.
I guess that info is supposed to be secret or something?
Nah, it’s supposed to matter.
It is true that I personally do not find most of her recent political comics to be particularly funny or insightful–which is fine, she does not have to draw to satisfy me–but there are plenty of her comics which are not about politics but about cats or silly reflections on life, especially before Trump got elected.
So in short, thank you very much for your comment because it totally inspired me to check this person out and find comics of theirs that I enjoyed! 😀
They threaten people who parody their work with DMCA
Citation?
Here ya go.
That… is a really impressive amount of drama over such a middling comic.
It certainly is.
Remind me which level of Hell the hypocrites are in? Is it higher or lower than the one reserved for Jesus now?
I mean I’ve seen some random Instagram stuff where Republicans think that Jesus would not allow immigrants into this country. It truly is another level of delusion at this point
Don’t forget that Instagram is owned by Meta. They’ve admitted to making people up to get more engagement and rage bait.
Was curious and went looking. Is this what you’re referencing? I’m not sure since it doesn’t sound like they were made just to drum up outrage, they were just inherently shitty because they’re AI users who suck at pretending to be people.
I can’t find it anymore, but there was an AI they created that specifically was spouting Russian misinformation to drive engagement. People found it, watched it, and then found others. I’ll keep looking.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/meta-wants-more-ai-bots-on-facebook-and-instagram.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/03/business/meta-ai-accounts-instagram-facebook/index.html
Edit: Here’s one: https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/03/11/1020600/facebook-responsible-ai-misinformation/
Edit 2: Another: https://www.npr.org/2024/05/14/1251072726/ai-spam-images-facebook-linkedin-threads-meta
Edit 3: The best one: https://opentools.ai/news/facebooks-ai-generated-people-future-of-engagement-or-privacy-pitfall
These AI entities are designed to boost interactivity and engagement, aligning with Meta’s push towards generative AI. While the innovation promises enhanced social media experiences, it also raises significant concerns over data privacy and the potential misuse of user-generated content for AI training. Join us as we explore the implications of this bold move by Meta
TYVM, I’ve got some reading to do lol
Yeah, the widely practiced “Prosperity Gospel” stuff is like a religious studies PhD designed the most anti-Christian form of Christianity for a thesis, and suddenly people started picking it up and running with it.
First, it is by no means “widely practiced” as it is a niche version of Calvinism that is only common in the USA. The Roman Catholic church does not in any way endorse this view and they are a billion or so of the christian population. Whatever the Vatican does is more or less what is “widely practiced”.
Second as mentioned it is based in Calvinism. If I could slap the shit out of any man in history he’s in my top two.
Who’s the other guy?
Ohhh, friendo, there’s about 500 million Christians in Africa that are heavily besieged by Evangelicals pushing this for the political clout. It’s rampant.
Plus, that Joel Osteen guy peddled a version of this hard.
it is a niche version of Calvinism that is only common in the USA
Due to their fondness for finding new suckers, it’s now common in much of the Christian world, especially Mexico, Central America, Korea and some parts of Africa. Also, the source population for the spread of this contagion to the New World, the Protestants in Northern Ireland, have maintained relations with US fundies and many have adopted broadly similar beliefs.
If I could slap the shit out of any man in history he’s in my top two.
Likewise. It’s amazing how much Calivin’s followers, when in power, ruled just like the Taliban. He was a power-mad bloodless berk full of hatred for life.
like a religious studies PhD designed the most anti-Christian form of Christianity
More like some semi-literate huckster looking for a fatter income stream than he was getting from his holy-roller flock of rubes.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Republicans would be very upset with you using the bible against them, if they had ever read the bible to know what it said.
The usual response is “you only know a few cherry picked quotes, and would burst into flames if you actually read the whole thing” blah blah blah.
The next usual response is “Oh, I appreciate the warning from when you gave it a go.”
I get so tired of faith being used to hurt.
I could say “I read it all years ago, have you?”. Grew up in an evangelical church that encouraged us to read it surprisingly.
**But if God intended that the Negro race should be Segregated in Africa then why did He curse the children of Ham and decree that they should be the servants, or slaves, ot the other races?’’
God did not. Canaan was the only one specifically cursed to be a ‘‘servant of servants’’ (Genesis 9:20-27). Even if we admit the possibility that all his descendants were included in the curse (the best Bible scholars disagree on this point). we must still remember that Canaan was only one of the four sons of Ham and therefore he fathered only a MINORITY of the black race. And as I said before, even that servile minority were to live in a different part of the country from the Hebrews (Genesis 10:19).
It cannot be positively proven from the Scriptures that the Negroes were cursed to be black because of Nimrod’s rebellion or because of Ham’s sexual laxity at the time of his father Noah’s drunkenness. But there are some verses that seem to leave that implication. For example in Jeremiah 13:23 we read, ‘*Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.’’ Here the black Skin of the Negro is obviously a symbol of evil. This verse also shows that God meant for that skin to STAY BLACK and not be blended into a Thousand shades of mulatto.
The notion that the Negroes of this country have INHERITED the “‘deep Sunburn’’ that their forefathers are said to have suffered in Africa is ridiculous. Sunburns are not inherited, no matter how deeply they penetrate, not even by the first generation, not to mention the tenth or twelfth generation.
If we are to reject the curse of Ham and the rebellious leadership of Nimrod as explanations of why God made the‘Negro black then there is only one other possible explanation to be found anywhere in the Bible or out of it: THE GOOD LORD WAS SO ANXIOUS FOR THE HAMITES TO BE SEPARATED AND SEG- REGATED PEOPLE THAT HE MADE THEM RADICALLY DIFFERENT IN THEIR APPEARANCE FROM THE PEOPLE OF ALL OTHER RACES. He made their skin color different for for the same reason that He made their language different and for the same reason that He assigned them a different habitation… At least we would be much kinder and more charitable to our colored friends if we gave that explanation.
The southern Bible doesn’t read like yours and mine does, they made some notes in the margins.
interesting read, thanks!
He wasn’t a pastor, he was a deacon and probably just a twitter troll but no one here cares about accuracy it seems
Pastors and deacons are both member of the church, and arnt that far apart in rank
Sorry no, you are wrong. But that’s understandable considering how actively ignorant atheists are about what actually happens in churches
My only question is why so fuckdamn many of you are ALSO so arrogant about it
Both are ordained ministers, the preist just leads the parish, and the deacon helps the preist lead a parish. Hierarchically they are adjacent. Why are you so confident of my religion?
Basically your side believes in 100 kinds of magic and fairy tales, at least in America the majority of self described Christians believe that the earth is less than 10k years old wished into being by what amounts to a prick of a genie and a non trivial minority of these folks believe the Earth is flat.
After spending their life talking to believers who might as well be actual adult Santa worshippers its easy to be both arrogant and a bit confused by the non imaginary part of the holy heirarchy.
Talking like someone who judges groups solely by the actions of loud extremists and oversimplifies anyhting they don’t understand.
Every theist believes in a detailed fantasy world that would shame the imagination of the average schizophrenic.
The Reddit Atheists have entered the chat and are here to stay it seems
Because literally none of us gives one damn shit what the difference between a deacon and a priest is. They’re both trying to sell everyone the idea that they’re magical friend in the sky wants all of us to obey a bunch of rules that were written almost two thousand years ago and contradict themselves constantly.
Some day when you grow up you are gonna cringe so hard over this post that I almost want to screencap it for when you eventually delete it
You have an imaginary friend, and you’re trying to defend him on the internet…
I bet it would shock you to find out that the existence or lack thereof of an Abrahamic god is irrelevant to me.
Or, to use crayon terms: It really doesn’t matter to how I live my life if He exists or not. I choose to live as if He does and it has benefited me immensely. If somehow direct material proof of the nonexistence of god appeared tomorrow, or even the opposite, I will still live my life as I have been.
My main point is that the abandonment of cultural sacredness is why we are descending into fascism right now and you whiny little ratheists are a big part of the reason
You really have no idea how many progressive Christians you piss off with your wide-assed brush you keep painting us with
You really have no idea how many progressive Christians you piss off with your wide-assed brush you keep painting us with
Well all you little bitches can just turn the other cheek.
I bet it would shock you to find out that the existence or lack thereof of an Abrahamic god is irrelevant to me.
I’m not shocked, because based on your posts, I have no reason to care what you think.
Not Abrahamic, still imaginary. Still cringe.
Why do you think that is cringe? I wouldn’t have thought so at 14 or at 44
I’m not religious, but it was cringe because they were reveling in thier ignorance right before paroting common online reductions of faith. “Obey your sky daddy’s rules” and all that. Seems trite. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
LoL, the arrogance of this comment is absolutely hilarious. I’m GenX. I’ve been through all of it with religion. The only cringe here is you.
Them: “I don’t care about your religion”
You: “Omg you’re gonna look sooooo stupid.”
If your only counter argument is a spongebob meme then maybe you want to think on what I said about maturity for a moment.
Aww who are we kidding, everyone knows you’re a perpetual child
… SpongeBob?
Sorry about not knowing the intricacies of your imaginary friend’s club. BTW, claiming that your imaginary friend is the only one that’s real is pretty arrogant too.
Ok then cite me my post where I claimed God was real.
I FUCKING DARE YOU
You can only win arguments when you fill your opposition’s mouth with lies
First of all, calm down, you don’t want to incur in the deadly sin of wrath and not get invited to the sleepover at your bestie’s.
That’s not how salvation works and even kids in sunday school know that…
Sorry no, you are wrong
Oh no, they mixed up pastor and priest, what a sin! Two words that are super alike and mean basically the same thing, damn them!
Deacons aren’t pastors or priests, they are glorified ushers
They’re still one level down the hierarchy, which was their point
Or are you being an idiot on purpose?
Um… do you imagine that churches are somehow run like the military, and that roles of service are badges of office?
Additionally, there was no ‘down the hierarchy’ point made, they just conflated the two roles, which is why I corrected them
Are you having a problem following this conversation? The ‘Show Context’ button can refresh your memory
Because everyone can tell you’re deliberately getting hung up on a technical inaccuracy not relevant to the issue to derail the conversation.
I guess accuracy is only important in your opposition, gotcha
Don’t let it ever be said that heathens aren’t hypocritical as well
Things are important when they matter. What’s keeping you from telling us why it matters in this instance? Cmon educate those heathens.
So then… We don’t need to apply empathy to whoever that guy is.
Apparently started from a hate ministry in 2021… Dude named James White on Twitter.
"When you start with man as image-bearing creature of God, you can understand why sympathy is good, but empathy is sinful.
Do not surrender our mind to the sinful emotional responses of others."
Yeah, I came across some article he wrote. He basically said if he hates someone, they deserve it because god says so, and if anyone disagrees with him, they are making it about “them” and not Jesus.
He evidently (understandably) got blowback on Twitter back in the day, and wrote some word vomit that sums up to “No no, you don’t understand, what I said is not as bad as you think it is (it’s sooooo much worse)”
The sinful emotional response caused by losing your home after the landlord tripled the rent
I don’t get it, “image-bearing creature of God”??
Asking religion to make sense is like asking a fish to describe outer space.
I think his point is that humans are meaningless little things made just to be in the image of “God” and should “get over themselves” since it’s all about God and not at all about humanity.
Seemingly, that somehow doesn’t apply to having him shut up and stop making it about himself.
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The only difference between a religion and a cult is time
The difference is sincerity.
I’ve heard the distinction described as “it’s a cult when the founder is still around making stuff up, it becomes a religion after he dies and his followers are left to continue doing that in his name.”
Number of followers helps too.
I have as much authority as the Pope. I just don’t have as many people who believe it.
George Carlin
Every time I see that I’m so skeeved out. Like I understand needing to close your heart’s empathy to deceivers. It’s something I’ve had to do with abusers who play on pity. But this is language that you use to prepare people to do evil
Notably, I don’t think folks would consider Christian teaching would not explicitly declare that you should hate (that part is usually just implied).
Generally what they say is that while you shouldn’t just yield and let “bad” people walk all over you and society, you shouldn’t “hate” them either.
This sounds like Warhammer 40K flavour text. How can anyone write this and think that they are the good guy?
“I hate you guys, kill yourself” said Jesus probably during daylight saving time because he didn’t sleep enough.
Fair enough, that’s enough to make me give up on humanity.
I hear he also dropped the n word a couple times on Twitter but he was taking Ambien so it wasn’t his fault.
Also, Jesus was so just of full love when they did the Nazi salute twice.
Who’s her?
Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde. She asked Trump to have mercy for immigrants and pissed him off.
…she’s an episcopalian bishop who led trump’s inaugural service, asking that he accept god’s humility and share his mercy with marginalised people who fear him, specifically naming genderqueer, immigrant, and refugee populations…
“Thou shalt not even try to be a decent person”
the 11th commandment I guess
If Jesus ever returned, evangelicals will try to crucify him
