First there was the Arab Spring.
Then the Balkan Spring.
So this is… the American Spring? Sounds like a brand of bottled water.
I really don’t like the amount of violence being suggested here. Trump needs to be removed but a lot of you are suggesting to support violent fantasies.
By the way that’s a very strong tactic be terrifically Republicans to make the left look unhinged. And they’re correct. It will turn a lot of people against you. Most are not violent people.
Same here. The peaceful inclusive protest in Sackets Harbor, NY over the weekend worked. The immigrant children and their mother are being returned from Texas as I type this. Don’t give Trumpy any room to paint the left as unhinged.
The point of making the ‘left’, or any opponent, look unhinged is to pressure them into submission. The reason why this works very well is because your media is complicit in amplifying any wrongdoings by any opponents and twisting the perception.
i mean, check out protests in Europe and how they’re framed by their media. Even your Vietnam war protests back in the day; your media started banging on about them being drug users and layabouts to make dismissing their cause much easier.
I just think Americans have lost a lot of people power if you have to protest while walking on eggshells. Best thing to combat it is to have a conversation with everyone. Get people chatting face to face rather than having the TV spout nonsense at them.
There’s one of the worst ways in modern times to get any message across. It’s like suggesting we use carrier pigeons to communicate on a battlefield.
The Internet exists. Hey did the Republicans protest in the streets to get their message across?
I didn’t see that yet every single person I know could reiterate almost all their talking points. If protests were stuff an effective medium for creating supporting and spreading a cause, how did they accomplish it without it.
Republicans hired think tanks. Same way the cigarette company did you delay laws. Same way energy companies did to delay and sew distrust on climate change.
The left for all the geniuses they say they are have not adapted to the modern world. Imagine if every single person at these protests stayed home instead and shit posted on every platform they could. That’s how you get messages out in modern times. You use the algorithms. You create content. You boost signals.
What you do not do is drag people into the streets banging pots. It’s not the 1960s
Everyone is online. You need people burying their signals and amplifying our own. You need memes. You need everyone to force their hand. The fucked up thing is they have such entrenched culture that you’d think it’s obvious where to apply pressure. It’s not calling them a Nazi. It’s culture jamming our society so we associate trucks with femininity. They are more sensitive than ever and it should be easy to find their soft spots. Can’t hit it from the middle of the road
What you do not do is drag people into the streets banging pots. It’s not the 1960s
Are you sure? I’m pretty confident that’s what happened on the weekend.
Also, relying on technology owned and controlled by the billionaire class is a bit rich…
Anyway, I don’t want to antagonise you. Just don’t discount the traditional methods of communication thinking it’s ineffective. In a world where privacy is almost non-existent and you’re constantly being monitored, going analogue is one of the best tactics there is.
Are you sure? I’m pretty confident that’s what happened on the weekend.
My point is it isn’t effective. What is the result as of today, tomorrow, a week from now. What has it accomplished. What will it accomplish. And as I said, if the goal is to spread awareness about an issue than let’s measure this against another method like shit posting. Which was my point about governments and think tanks who get paid to spread awareness. These groups are not doing protest, they create engagement online and in media. There’s a reason for it.
Also, relying on technology owned and controlled by the billionaire class is a bit rich…
Why? What will happen. How is that any different than relying on the city, the state and the government to not just beat your head in and arrest anything. If anything protests seem to benefit the other side when the other side are authoritarian. It lets them see who the leaders are and knee cap them.
Anyway, I don’t want to antagonise you. Just don’t discount the traditional methods of communication thinking it’s ineffective. In a world where privacy is almost non-existent and you’re constantly being monitored, going analogue is one of the best tactics there is.
I am an antagonist but not trying to troll. I just don’t see value in protests as they exist today. I think protests are a solved game. I believe police and authorities have such an upper hand that they prefer people to protest. The authorities ability to organize, coordinate and apply force is greater than the protestors. It’s a wasted effort on my books. The risk to reward is unbalanced and we need to adapt to modern times.
Everywhere except the past… where we fucking needed it.
Most people do not care about (and do not want to care about) anything under the broad topic of “politics”.
If you try to force them to care, they will punish you. That’s what we’re seeing, but it’s also why it’s so damn hard to stir people to action before things go wrong.
I could not agree more
These protests need to start happening outside of these reps’ offices.
I saw someone call for protesting on golf courses, might be even better.
And federal buildings in democratic areas… unfortunately status quo democrats aren’t going to be the champions of this - they will just use it to fund raise more
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They just don’t go to their offices or close them or ban protests.
Reps need to be taking part in the protests. Preferably Korean-style.
There were multiple US House Representatives as the protest in DC on Saturday. Several spoke on the stage and others were out in the crowd.
You mean the US representatives that won’t set term limits? The US representatives that won’t vote to outlaw insider trading? The US representatives who own businesses that benefit from their legislation? Those people? Just gotta be clear here. Because I’m feeling a little uncertain about their loyalties at the moment. At least towards their voters… To their donors, I’m rock solid on where they owe their fealty.
AOC ain’t that sorry
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Get outta here with that bullshit
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Literally grassroots funded but okay schmuck
Okay less than a day old account with an adjective_noun username. Cause you’re argument is surely being made in good faith lol
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You’re the one making claims lol. I’m not going to waste my time arguing with someone paid to spread disinformation. Or maybe you volunteer. I’ve got not idea. Either way, since you made the claim, the burden of proof falls on you. We’ll wait.
Because they have better things to do? You are the one making a claim without evidence, how is AOC a corporate puppet? You have to explain, not them.
Literally grassroots funded.
Term limits(for congress) aren’t an issue. It’s outright good to have a portion of reps with institutional knowledge on how to run a government, and extremely helpful in diplomacy with other countries as well.
Age limits are the real issue to push, because geriatric fucks being in charge is the real danger.
Everything else, I wholly and completely agree with you on
I would prefer a slightly incompetent but well meaning person to lead, than someone malicious and skilled. With the former, they will be willing to acknowledge their mistakes or what people want, while the latter would play shell games while pocketing the riches of the people.
Term and age limits are needed, so that evil people cannot build a nest made out of the government. What we lose in raw efficiency, we regain from a lack of corruption.
Glad we have ol Gymboree Jordan and Louie Gomert there as bulwarks of diplomacy.
God that photo goes hard on so many levels
I don’t think we’ll see the upheaval of a fascist regime by picketers carrying signs any time soon.
No but it’s the first step. As momentum builds more people are emboldened to protest, and the scope of the protests widen and get more effective.
This sort of statement is typically made by people who want to stall and prevent action. You see it all the time in various forums: “if this activity doesn’t 100% fix everything immediately then there is no point in doing anything”.
Unfortunately we don’t live in a black and white world where a switch can be flipped from awful to wonderful (as if it was even possible for everyone to agree on that). You get there in small incremental steps with messy interactions and disagreements along the way.
Protests like this can lead to ongoing effective resistance like strikes, work to rules and etc. But you don’t get someone to go from never having protested in their lives to manning a blockade of a govt building in one step.
Exactly. For the past month I’ve read many people here saying protest are useless because of various bullshit reasons. Protest are just a starting point. At protest, people talk, organize, that can lead to more massive protest, a new ideology, a revolution, or nothing. You never know.
I’m French. I have been to many protests. Some ended in massive movement for no reasons. Some died while the cause was very important. You never know.
you speak truth and they downvote it because they don’t want to face that fact that one day of standing around accomplishes nothing. they want to think this will be easy and won’t require real sacrifice. they’re lazy and naive.
please bookmark this post. show me what changes one month from now. one year from now. please prove me wrong.
because they don’t want to face that fact that one day of standing around accomplishes nothing.
Well it’s a good thing it hasn’t been just one day, and there are many more planned for the future. Come get involved!
they want to think this will be easy and won’t require real sacrifice. they’re lazy and naive.
That’s not at all what the responses (that have been up for hours before you posted this) have been saying.
If you can’t even bother to stand around to protest, how tf are you supposed to get people to do more extreme actions when the time such drastic actions are required comes around? Your apathetic response to protesting will only lead to a more fractured society that cannot attempt any meaningful resistance to the fascist in the white house.
yeah, i’m not into wasting my time. i’m here when the people decide to get serious though.
People who are serious doesn’t balk at the idea of protesting. If you can’t even bother sacrificing time to sit around to show people that its safe for them to come fight against fascism, there is no way you’d have the guts to sacrifice your life to actually fight against the fascist when the time comes. It’s probably better if you just sit at home and don’t bother talking about fighting or protesting. At this point, you’re more of an asset to the fascists than anything, even if you didnt know it yet.
how about i do WTF i want? you’re not the judge of what works and what doesn’t. please. bookmark this comment. come back to me in a year and prove how i was wrong. the proof is in the pudding, pacifist.
Can you even read? I said your type of action is what will result in protests being ineffective at uniting the people that will fight against fascism.
People failing to remove fascism a year from now will only prove me right if you still decide to continue what you’re doing. To prove your point, you would need to join up with the protest and stop trying to kill it in its infancy and still fail to remove fascism.
So go ahead and continue what you’re doing and you might prove me right.
if the people don’t have the spine for what it takes, then it’s hopeless.
have you ever considered that a lot of these people are going to feel defeated after they waste their time protesting and nothing gets accomplished? there’s no guarantee that getting a bunch of people together for feelgood BS leads to more effective resistance. this is the same as saying “just go to college and follow your dreams and everything will magically work out”. it’s a lie. people need to understand where western civilization is at.
how about i do WTF i want? you’re not the judge of what works and what doesn’t.
Says the person judging what other people do, and what works and what doesn’t.
This is to show the people who are feeling alone with their despair, that they are in fact not alone.
And it is to recruit people for the upcoming general strike.
For a general strike to take effect, it needs about 10mil people, and it is estimated that there are about 5mil people demonstrating in America today.
Obeying in advance, yikes fucking pathetic.
There’s no actual disobedience in going to a protest. It’s completely permitted and allowed as long as the protesters don’t actually do anything. It’s a means of directing discontent into a dead end.
It’s a means of starting something meaningful and impactful.
Their demands seem to be as feeble they might as well not exist. So the mass protests might not exist as well. Hands off bla bla lol, might as well send a sternly written letter haha. “Oh please sir, could you possibly be less rough with me?!”
I heard that the USA has been involved in illegal regime change in other countries 62 times. Sixty two times! Overthrowing quite a few democracies too. But for the US this seems unthinkable still, even for mother jones. A simple demand like the Trump administration to step down and call for new elections seems to be nowhere to be found.
PATHETIC ATTEMPT AT REVOLUTION!
Very good, take large potato from bin.
As it stands now leadership change in the US does not include the possibility of calling elections.
If Trump steps down, Vance takes over. If Vance also steps down, it’s Mike Johnson, then Chuck Grassley, Marco Rubio, and so on.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession
For that to change, Congress would have to establish a new presidential succession process, which they could do. However, they won’t.
Lol what is this pathetic attention seeking behavior?
Did you get the attention you wanted bby?
This is exactly how every single popular uprising in history has started: by overwhelming numbers of people getting out in the streets to have their voices heard. They always start off as peaceful until drive past that by elite/institutional reaction.
If this were a single instance, then, yes, it would seem feeble and ineffectual. But it’s not. It’s the early days of a large movement. We’re less than 3 months into the regime and this past Saturday was already the single largest day of protest in American history. And there’s another one scheduled in 2 weeks on the 19th.
I was at the protest in DC. There was 100k+ people there. I’ve been a political activist since the protests against the Iraq War in 2003. This event on Saturday was notably different than any other I’ve attended in 2 ways. One was the sheer size, larger than any other protest in DC I’ve seen. The other was the demographic composition of the crowd. All previous protests I’ve been to were primarily filled with male-presenting young people. This was very different. At 38 years old, I was definitely younger than the majority of the people there. It was also far more racially diverse than any other events I’ve been to except for the 2020 uprising.
What do you expect a giant crowd of people mostly in their 40s-60s to do? You think they were all going to storm the White House or Capital?
For that matter, what are you doing? You say these demonstrations are pathetic? Then surely you must be taking more radical actions that have a much higher chance of effecting change. I’d love to join in, so, please, tell me what you’re doing that’s puts the 5 million people out in the streets on Saturday to shame?
Well not wrong but without clear demands there can be not even a chance for anything to happen. Then it’s just a big angry party. So something like call for new election. Because this one was fraud based on lies and the current administration is engaged in treason / economic terrorism.
There is no mechanism within American politics to run a new election. If that’s the demand, we first would need to amend the Constitution, which isn’t going to happen, or violently overthrow the government. Just demanding, “run a new election” is as empty a demand as anything else you could imagine.
Take a look at how the US facilitates regime change. It’s always extra-legal. If you can’t even imagine it, then it’s just a pathetic and empty show of frustration. And that’s on the people of the USA (and the media of course that manipulates and indoctrinates them).
Sure. And the US government has the CIA and military to enact that regime change. Plus they have all the cops and military to defend against a popular uprising overthrowing the government.
I’m not saying it can’t be done, but we’re still in the early stages of a popular uprising. That’s what these protests are about. This one on Saturday got, reportedly, ~5 million people on the streets at the same time. That’s ~1.5% of the country’s population. According to the International Center on Nonviolent Conflict, it takes ~3.5% of the population mass mobilizing at the same time to effect political change. That’s ~12 million people. That’s why this wasn’t a 1 and done protest. The next one is already scheduled for April 19. And there will be another after that. And another after that.
Let’s not just aim for 3.5%. Go higher. What can 5% of the country, 17 million people, do if we’re all out in the streets together? Rather than just complain that one single protest didn’t immediately result in widespread political change, why don’t you get out there and join us on the 19th? Bring your friends. Bring your family. Help make a change rather than just complaining that others aren’t doing it for you.
I was in DC on Saturday too, and I also have been going since W Bush’s first inauguration, and several anti war protests after that. I always enjoy seeing people out on the street, but I also feel like these protests don’t really accomplish anything as such. They are just really easy to ignore, unfortunately. Participants feel good about themselves, and hopefully build relationships with new people. But did that crowd on Saturday threaten anyone? Did any elected officials (R or D) feel nervous about it? Were there any demands made that will be met? Again, I do appreciate so many people taking the time to protest, but I hope that plenty of them have a line at which they will take stronger action, and that it doesn’t come too late.
I just watched a video from one f the big networks. They had originally done a story about the protest in Boston talking about 10,000-30,000 strong, despite organizers estimating much higher. This video revised attendance in Boston to 100,000
LMFAO 5 million white old ass, non ethnically/racially diverse boomers protesting against their 401ks losing value doing a cosplay competition 🤣
That’s the opposition? Rich white old men?
I personally saw thousands of young and middle aged folk at my local protests including POC, in higher concentration than old people. not sure what you’re talking about but it isn’t representative
That’s a tiny part of it but mostly it’s the disrespect for the world, a move towards economic isolationism and the dismantling of a once great superpower. All of these things break a society.
You seem happy about the boomer generation suffering and find it funny do you? That is the wacky internet for you. Maybe you are just being engineered by the algorithms and you have no choice? who knows anymore?
One for all and all for one, regardless of what generational group you fall under.
The function of accounts like the one you are replying to is to encourage cynicism and inaction among otherwise anti-fascist people.
Failing that, they will try to exhaust you with “debate”.
It’d be nice if all of these protesters had bothered to vote and not with protest votes.
What makes you think they didn’t?
75 million people voted for Harris. We likely won’t know the count of today’s protests, but I feel safe saying it was far fewer than 75 million.
The estimate was 5 million people across 1300 cities.
A lot of people complaining about these protests seem to think that level of coordinated protesting isn’t impressive.
Those numbers alone should make anyone stop and think about what’s going on.
It’s going to get bigger as people’s 401Ks evaporate.
“proper action wasn’t taken in the past therfore I won’t accept any action being taken in the future.”
Oh look, another liberal blaming eveybody and anybody except the traish-tier Democrat platform/candidate.
Hey if they had 4 more years they sure would have at least thought about punishing the insurrections.
More astroturfing
In the US system it doesn’t matter how you vote except in like 7 states.
Well, that wouldn’t be true if everyone voted, but it does bring up the point that winner take all is just a bad representative system.
There is no such thing as a good “representative” system.
But there are far far better systems.
I think these people are the ones to have voted.
It would be nice if there had been non-fascist duopoly candidates to vote for. But here we are.
Let’s not forget that there are more than two choices. I understand there is certainly a duopoly, but that only continues as long as we continue voting for only one or the other.
Selective destruction of establishments is next guys, keep it up!
So is Trump and his entire admin stepping down then?
But hopefully soon
5+ million in attendance. A whopping 1.5% of the population.
In Seattle it was closer to 3.3%, which is kind of insane.
You do understand mass movements don’t affect change in 48 hours, generally. Not from start to finish.
I hope the US is building towards a general strike against Trump et al
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Why all these marches in areas that these oligarchs don’t care about? Why not their mansions?
The U.S. is pretty much as big as Europe.
It’s not easy to drive thousands of kilometers to get to their mansions. These marches happened all over the place, in major cities and capital cities.
People drove from all across the country to go to Washington yesterday, organizers supplied coaches from every major city. Same with BLM, Occupy, and many movements before it. But god forbid we do that towards a location that could actually make a difference.
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The White House is more than 40 hours away from here driving non-stop.
The number of people from here who could have participated in a march at the White House (maybe taking a week off work in order to get there and back traveling 16 hours a day by bus) would have been very small. Instead, thousands of us marched in our local downtown yesterday in a solid throng.
Protests at a specific location convey a message, but mass protests everywhere convey a message too.
Yep. Which is why there were a disproportionate number of small business owners, landlords, and other nonwage “workers” on January 6th. The people that could actually afford to fly out and storm the capital are people already in a very financially sound and privileged position. They either do not do actual work or have a job they can easily take time off for and not fear being fired.
And these people are the base of the Republican party and the MAGA movement. It’s why it’s so mucher harder to get leftist organized in places like this. There are just not as many of us that can afford to do something like that.
Showing massive crowds in every major American city does a lot more good that anything else.
Most people are followers, and many people are Republicans simply because they are cowards, and are afraid of everything that the Conservative Propaganda Machine has screamed at them about. So they think MAGAs will protect them better than weak-willed spinless Democrats. The MAGAs are also telling them that there is very little support for Democrats, and they believe it.
But if they see massive crowds of angry Democrats, many will realize that there is a LOT of opposition to the Nazis, and it will sway many to our side.
Millions of people protesting isn’t good enough for you?
Voting would be better lmao
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Optimistic.
Who do I vote for to put insurrections in prison? Democrats showed it wouldn’t be them and clearly Republicans won’t. So who, I ask, should I have I voted for that would have prevented this.
I don’t think voting really does much, but voting for a third party is probably a good place to start.
Okay, do you have a time machine that will let them go vote?
Who was stopping them to vote then?
you’re either terribly uninformed or willfully ignorant. lack of transportation, accommodation, childcare, time off work, current identification all contribute. gerrymandering minimizes the effects of successfully voting as well.
also, you’re not helping anything.
I’m talking about right now. The present. Millions of people actively protesting in the present is not good enough for you.
Yup, the election was a huge fuck up. It’s already happened and over with. What would you prefer people doright now? Bitch on Lemmy that people fucked up in the past instead of actually doing something?
5 million middle class, old ass boomers vs what? 77 million voters?
Yeah you bet it’s not good enough
I’m vooting! I’m vooting!
Sure it would, they should have a vote right now. And not the kind of vote where people in the States with lower population get more say.
because America is big, like really big. Its not like EU countries where you can just hop on a train and get to the capital in a day. for someone in South Dakota its at least a three day commitment to travel and protest in DC, and encase you didn’t notice most people in this country can’t afford that.
Am south dakotan, can confirm
The people going to events want political action to fix the problem and prevent it from occuring again. Not pointless Lynchings for petty revenge.
Now if we could organize in a way that encourages conservatives to switch sides then that would be cool, like a tour through conservative counties.
I think most of these protests were properly permitted (I know my local one was). Protestors in residential areas would likely get arrested for stuff like disturbing the peace, even if they stayed on public property such as roads. They’d probably try to charge the organizers for something too, which is probably why they aren’t being organized. But, I agree there should be protests at these people’s homes regardless.
I feel off about this. Permits. Like ok, you are given permission by the powers that be that as long as it’s in a specific area and don’t cause a disturbance… why would a protest want to play by these rules? Isn’t the point to cause a disturbance? Wouldn’t getting a permit be a direct message that the protest has no chance at obtaining actual change?
Then why aren’t you being downvoted to oblivion?
Which, specifically? They all have several.
Because if protesters ever pose any actual threat, they’ll be viciously attacked.
(I’m talking about progressive protestors. Cops and fash go hand in hand.)
So we should continue wasting time, effort, and energy to NOT pose as any threat? So what’s the point?
Whose mansions are you talking about? Just protesting at some random Sociopathic Oligarch’s palace isn’t going to do anything, they’ll never even see it. These people configure their lives so they never have to be touched by real life. They’ll just spend the day on their yacht or at a different palace. If they are in town, they’ll just chopper in/out at the residence, which will be behind walls and gates a quarter mile away.
Nope, flood the streets in every major city, disrupt everything, block Federal buildings, be as inconvenient as possible. That’s far more effective.
If you want to piss off a Sociopathic Oligarch, then protest at their place of business. Block their entrances, interrupt the flow of business, make it difficult to do business, inconvenience their employees, irritate their neighbors, embarrass them to their neighbors, etc.
If you want to piss off a Sociopathic Oligarch, then protest at their place of business. Block their entrances, interrupt the flow of business, make it difficult to do business, inconvenience their employees, irritate their neighbors, embarrass them to their neighbors, etc.
So how does gathering outside the White House or town halls move us towards this goal?
It gets SEEN. Sociopathic Oligarchs generally live far away from every one else, so you are a tree screaming in an empty forest - nobody hears it.
Instead, fill the streets in front of their offices, so neither they, nor (more importantly) their employees can get to work. It will piss off the other tenants in the building, the building owner, the buildings and businesses next door and across the street, etc. The message gets sent that it’s this Sociopathic Oligarch’s behavior that is causing all this trouble, and they’ll want him gone, too.
Make their lives miserable.
Instead, fill the streets in front of their offices, so neither they, nor (more importantly) their employees can get to work. It will piss off the other tenants in the building, the building owner, the buildings and businesses next door and across the street, etc. The message gets sent that it’s this Sociopathic Oligarch’s behavior that is causing all this trouble, and they’ll want him gone, too.
You’re living in a fantasy world if you think people getting blocked on their way to work by protestors are going to blame the oligarchs and not the protestors, they get mad at the protestors every time. Literally zero of them go “Hey maybe they have a point” and skip work that day to join the rally. No, they go “Fucking hippies” and roll their eyes before laughing at them with their work colleagues and taking loyalty paychecks from the oligarchs that employ them. Rather than pissing off fellow workers in an attempt to convince them (which it famously doesn’t) perhaps actually directing the attack towards the actual culprits. Again, it seems like everyone (and you) seem to try their best to figure out how NOT to go after the oligarchs, and that we should try every other roundabout idealistic mystical way instead.
The impact on the locals is irrelevant, they aren’t your audience. They’re in the same neighborhood as the Sociopathic Oligarch you are targeting, so they’re probably more like him than not. Fuck them.
Besides, even if they don’t come over to your side, they’re still going to hate the SO that is causing the disruption to their businesses. Rich fucks dont like to be inconvenienced, that was one of the primary motivations for getting rich. So they’ll be pressuring him to shut the fuck up, or stop doing whatever sociopathic behavior that is jiggling his jollies. Have you noticed that we havent heard much from Skum over the last couple of weeks? No doubt his Board of Directors, at the very least, are telling him to calm the fuck down.
And an ostracized Sociopathic Oligarch means his social status is impacted, and Mrs. Sociopathic Oligarch isn’t going to appreciate it when she doesn’t get the e-vite to the next brunch/ book club meeting because her husband is being a national dickhead.
Your audience is those who see your protest in the media. Seeing monster crowds that are pissed off and taking bold action also attracts a lot more of the same, leading to steadily increasing crowds at more and more protests.
Those growing crowds start to scare the politicians, who are all craven cowards, and they start to panic, and make political moves both positive and negative, but the main thing is that they are on the run. As the citizens see the crowds gaining political power, and the politicams panicing, many will shift their support to them.
During the Vietnam war, that’s how protests helped to force the government to end the evil draft, and eventually the war (or at least weaken political support of the war so much that they lost it, thus ending it).
It’s really sad how domesticated the American people have become.
Any of these 1000+ protests could have used their manpower in one day to remove everyone close to Trump.
Instead we will keep marching and holding signs while everything gets worse and our corporate leaders tell us to wave the signs higher…
If we removed him by force with only something like 1.5% of the population on board, we’d have kicked off a civil war we could not win. Right now, it’s more important to use protest as an outreach tool to get more of the population to support change.
The Irish did pretty well against such odds.
Ireland is still divided
More than a few Brits had to depart this world to do that though, yeah?
A lot of Irish did too. The country is still divided, the violence that was enacted also enabled all sorts of tertiary problems as well. Running drugs to buy guns, bomb makers being poisoned by the components of the bombs. Innocent Irish families dying from bombs being set to the wrong time. Torture, maming and killing of Irish who refused to get involved.
And again, Ireland is still divided.
Don’t get me wrong, British policy has killed more Irish than the IRA ever did, but it wasn’t some happy fucking holidays to the coast to gun down some black and tans. It was decades of terror and oppression. Not something to be bandied about online from a keyboard because you’re frustrated that Amerikkka is now showing the true nature of it’s system in place.
The IRA’s only mistake was that they stopped planting bombs to take out the Imperialists. They were good guys fighting an evil foreign oppressor; of course things wouldn’t be sunshine and rainbows all the time. It’s just as justified as the Revolutionary War.
Think about it: Would you rather take some evil people with you to the Great Beyond, or would you like some evil people to suck away all your savings as you die a slow death?
I’m pretty sure you’re not Irish, you don’t know anyone Irish, and you have no fucking idea what you’re talking about.
The IRA has no current analogue in the US. The IRA devolved into a criminal organization that terrorized the Irish just as much as the occupying brits.
Your accelerationist language and complete lack of nuance in your take tells me that you’re just looking for outrage. There are no good or bad guys. This isn’t a movie.
I wish you good luck and better mental health in the future. They say vitamin D supplements can help if you’re not getting enough sunshine wherever you are.
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Well the civil war wouldn’t be 98.5% vs 1.5%. I reckon it would be fairly even, maybe even a bit more on the anti-Trump side, despite the fact that some people might not agree with violence. If forced to pick sides, I reckon most will stay on the same side of the political spectrum they’re already on.
However
I agree that civil war should be avoided. But at the same time I recognize some amount of violence may be required in the end, to have a true “liberation day” for Americans. Trump’s not stepping down as long as he’s alive and free.
No, you need to consider the National Guard and all armed forces in the US and Abroad.
IF there is a civil war it’s not going to be a bunch of citizens armed with AR pattern rifles shooting at the soldiers. It would be Palintir finding the communication hubs of any resistance fighters and a drone strike at the center of it, with a platoon of Marines coming in to clean up and post security. The Army close behind to go through and secure any surrounding structures and setup a FOB to prevent further insurrection.
It will be factions of the military fighting itself, and it would be devastating. Think Gaza but across two million square miles.
I’m not sure you understand how protests work.
So once you garner massive support do nothing meaningful to change things, that’s the right way to protest the government according to the government.
This is what I mean by domesticated
If you want a group of people to storm the halls of office and seize power by force you’re talking about a coup.
In this case, the demonstration of dissatisfaction by so many people is meaningful.
That “feeling” needs to build to a cacophony that republicans just can not ignore. The whole country (aside from perhaps a few loyalists) needs to be in agreement that the republicans are not fit to govern.
I thought a coup was when you placed loyalists in all positions of power, you control the news, and declare yourself president for life.
Huh well guess that wasn’t a coup and there’s no problem.
War is peace Freedom is slavery
Taking your most recent comments into account. You’re the antithesis of your username.
How the hell are you suggesting that a single group of 10,000 to 100,000 people can “use their manpower in one day to remove everyone close to Trump”?? Are you saying that the January insurrections were a good idea? The tough part you’re not considering is that to preserve (what’s left) of democracy we need to continue abiding by its principles as frustrating as it might sound. We need democracy intact after this is all over. One could almost infer that your comment seeks to invite violence.
“A body remains at rest, or in motion at a constant speed in a straight line, unless it is acted upon by a force.”
I’m so happy to see this, finally some good news from the us.
Wonderful, dear US friends!
A powerful sign against all the hatred and corruption that Trump and his henchmen stand for.
I think large demonstrations like this are incredibly important, especially nowadays, because the manipulation in social media and the traditional media can so easily give the false impression that a majority would share the inhumane ideology of this regime.
For the tens of thousands on the streets, it is obvious how many decent people there actually are.
Trump and his opinion makers can do little about this - apart from their usual ridiculous conspiracy theories around Soros and other such Bogus. Because not even these unscrupulous fascists can (yet) dare to stop thousands and thousands of people from demonstrating, or even have them all arrested.
Good luck and all the best from Europe!
Thank you; finally someone from Europe that sees Americans are struggling to fight. Over there you’re unlikely to see the whole picture about what’s going on. I understand that Europeans are mad and I don’t blame them, but I wish more Europeans understood that division is exactly what the powers want and your media is likely being manipulated as well, albeit to perhaps a much lesser degree, in order to sow that division.
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Yes, it’s scandalous, but that’s why the people on the street are so important, because sooner or later you can no longer overlook them as they are a fact of life in the real world - and then it becomes clear how one-sided the media coverage is.
It is not tens of thousands.
D.C alone has an estimated 100.000 people marching.
Nationwide the number is believed to be 5 million, i read somewhere.
Yes, all the better
