Sky news spin: haha, Carney was actually Trump’s win! I can’t make this shit up (but apparently Sky news can…)
You’d have to be trying hard to forget your media literacy to think that was spin.
It’s a device that’s saying the Trump issue is the major one in the election. Trump, and how voters feel about him, is what is driving one party or the other to victory.
I did read the article and indeed the content is about what you say. On the other hand, I don’t know if titling this as “Canada might be the second election Trump wins in six months” is an attempt at sarcasm, click-bait or spin (pretending not to know the number of people who will only ever read the title). It’s sad that I now I jump directly to believing the latter so I do hope that I’m wrong
It’s an analysis piece, an interesting or provocative headline is the thing to have.
People really have forgotten how to read news media in the past few years.
Is just treat any US and UK news outlet as the Onion these days.
Daddy hasn’t told them what to say yet and these kinds of outlets don’t know how to think for themselves anymore. And at this point it’s pretty much all news outlets based out of the US don’t know what to say without him.
Really proud of Canada not going down the same path my dumb ass country did
It wasn’t by a large margin… Canadians are turning fascist just like a lot of other countries.
Yes, we narrowly avoided going down the Trump route this time, but I don’t find this picture particularly encouraging (NDP, Green and BQ are the three most progressive parties):
Source: National Post
It’s not straightforward to understand that, since this is a chart of seats not votes, and you can get weird effects with first-past-the-post and strategic voting, but it certainly looks like the electorate is moving rightwards at the expense of progressives.
Maybe the left is realizing that they are fighting for really critical human rights, their autonomy and their country, so it’s time to stop splitting the vote among marginal left wing parties?
But splitting the vote isn’t an issue with proportional representation is it? If the libs lose one seat to the greens that’s still one seat not occupied by the cons.
The liberals are not a left wing party, but ya people are just scared of trump and our own conservatives, understandably so.
I don’t think the answer to the corrupting influence of America’s rotting republic is to become a two party system.
What’s the answer?
Electoral reform would be a good start. Ranked Choice isn’t perfect, but it’s easy to implement and much better than our current system, asvwe build appetite for a truly progressive voting method.
Certainly there’s a lot of strategic voting going on. But you don’t see the Liberal (centrist) seat count increasing as the NDP goes down: the gains are all with the Conservatives. If it were a matter of progressives deciding to just consolidate with Liberals, you’d expect to see the Liberal seat count go up as the smaller parties went down. To me this suggests either that some people are flipping directly from left to right or that there is a general rightwards drift, with right-wing Liberals going over to Conservatives and left-wing strategic voters filling in some of the gap they leave for the Liberals. In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
It’s not surprising at all, the 2 conservative parties in Germany are the most far-right and second most far-right parties. They host politicians who are grandsons and granddaughters of real Nazi SS officers (like the leader of the AfD: Alice Weidel, her grandpa was directly responsible for thousands of civilian deaths as military judge and prosecuter and later chief military judge for Adolf fucking Hitler. They copy their talking points one to one and would love to see people dissappear, who are not looking like them. Conservatives, for the most part, are atrociously far-right.
There’s strategic voting going both ways as some people are simply tired of seeing the Liberals in power, they would have been back the following election if the cons had won.
On what planet is the BQ (bloq quebecois) a progressive party? NDP and green for sure.
Bloc are literally a Quebec only nationalist/separatist. The cons are angry at them because they “stole” a bunch of their Quebec voters/seats. If that’s your target audience you aren’t on the progressive end of the spectrum.
In the policies section of the page you link, there are a number of positions that are typically associated with “progressive” politics.
And a broken clock is right twice a day. Just because a couple policies from a party are progressive doesn’t overwrite the fact that their founding tenants are hyper nationalistic (if you count Quebec as an independent nation).
Until social networks are mare criminally liable for the crap they spew this won’t be turned around.
They all have to be sued nonstop for slander, defamation, and high treason or else all their leaders and pundits dragged into the streets and beaten to death in front of their kids. Waiting for society to right itself is never gonna happen.
That is the sad thing.
I’m hoping the margin was tight because most people, even the ones who voted liberal, held their nose as they did it. We don’t like a party being in charge for this long, but the alternative is worse and worse every election. Pierre poilievre was however the worst and most dickish conservative I’ve seen in a while, so I hate how close this was.
Both Jason Kenney and Andrew Scheer, the two prior Conserrvative leaders, also completely blew their chances of winning by relying on the rightwing outrage pipeline and by being completely unlikable as a human beings.
Side story, I worked in government and received an MP complaint against me by a client, and the MP was Jason Kenney. I had to talk to him a bit everyday for a week or so, and he came off as incredibly stupid. Blew my mind a year later when he was on a ballot lol.
I was asked by a conservative volunteer why I wasn’t voting Con, I told him to write it down for the higher ups “I will never vote for a candidate who makes up cute little trump style nicknames for his opponents like carbon tax carney, and that any politician who rallies against woke culture has brain worms”
Conservatives still winning over 40% of all votes total. Definitely a very bad sign.
Hopefully Australia follows suit, as we have our own Temu Trump in opposition coming into our election.
Most shocking news of 2025
I cannot wait to see how the Trump admin will spin this. Either that or they have a meltdown and immediately call it a rigged election. Bonus points if he tells Canadians to storm their capital.
They are 100% going to say our election was rigged, and our idiots are going to believe them.
Club your idiots with baseball bats. Or cricket bats. Or whatever bats you use up there.
Not the flying kind!
Lacrosse and hockey sticks.
excerpt of facebook comments Ive seen since last night
- “this country is a disgrace”
- " sad day for canada"
- “fucking rigged!”
- “west time to become 51st state”
- “alberta saskatchewan manitoba 51st state of USA!”
- “time to secede”
- “trump will save alberta”
- " insert conspiracy here already picked their candidate, our votes dont count"
- “time to leave”
- accusations of Chinese meddling
- accusaions of European meddling
- accusations of Globalist meddling
There should be a bingo sheet.
Please, I am begging you, do not make this sheet. Right wing media will pick up on it, the golden one will catch wind of it, and it will become an achievement checklist. Please do not.
I’ll be a little surprised if he addresses it more than a passing comment - the US conservative population doesn’t actually give a shit about canada (unless they’re told to be mad about it for some specific scapegoaty reason, but they’ll just forget. Like they’ve all forgotten about the lumber issues, or eggs, or how ‘canada is killing the US garment industry’ that one was cute…). At this point he’s got enough other things to distract them with, so why waste his very limited attention span on something he’s declared a solved issue?
I think it would depend on whether Canada’s new government is willing to play ball. If they’re not willing to kiss Trump’s ass and give America the preferential treatment that he’s trying to extort from the country, there’s going to be more than just a one-off passing comment about it. Probably a woe-is-me “Canada is taking advantage of us” campaign, I reckon.
Mark Carnage
An absolute Carnageddon for PP
Trump’s truculence has infuriated Canadians
That is a 100% new word to me. 😐
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Why 😐?
Congratulations on learning a new word.
…today i told a coworker that i was listening to the transformers soundtrack because transformers rule and i also have a huge transformers collection because transformers totally rule, and he sent me that emoji in response…
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I can see how it looks that way, but I think Candletiger was sincere.
I was sincere about the congratulations but only offered them because I thought you were complaining that the news shouldn’t use fancy words. lol.
I’m glad we were all able to talk this out.
Thanks!
I wanted a wide-eyed closed-mouth emoji, lol. After viewing on firefox mobile, however, it looks unintentionally aloof.
trumpulence
My vocabulary is embiggened.
The cherry on top:
Little PP got his ass kicked. I love it !
I don’t know how it works there. Was Pierre running in two races?
Would there have a special election for this seat if he had won both?
What are the odds he loses support and goes quiet after losing both, especially his backup incumbent election? (Knowing hard losses used to discourage people, but not always now)
No one actually “runs for Prime Minister”. The Prime Minister is simply the leader of the governing party. That is determined by the number of seats each party wins. The PM is almost always an elected MP, but as demonstrated for the past few weeks they don’t have to be.
Thank you! I understand now.
Prime Minister is similar to Speaker of the House- everyone gets elected in their district and then the majority party (or in the case of a
functional democracymulti-party system, a coalition of parties that add up to 51% of the elected officials) picks their own Speaker/Prime Minister without further input from the public. In practice, if you’re already the party leader then you’re sure (95%~) to be the prime minister after your party wins/gets the biggest share in the election
Carney should send a thank you note to Trump for helping him win the election
As a dumbass American… Go Canada! Fuck yeah good work!
yes, it is so relieving that this right wing populist trend seems to be failing in our closest neighbor. Hopefully the failure of this administration will wake a lot more places up, and create a greater push back against this trend to the far right.
You can predict what likely happens next: more neoliberal policies and degradation of quality of life. In one of the next election the fascists take over Canada. They never learn.
In one of the next election the fascists take over Canada. They never learn.
At least we stopped Maple MAGA from taking over now… we learned this one trick from the Americans
This is my fear as well. Neoliberal policies are exactly what have made the extreme right so strong and powerful over the past decades. When people have no means to get forward in life, they resort to despotism, which is exactly why the poorest parts of the USA are so strongly in favor of Trump, while the wealthier parts are still clinging onto the liberal train.
Like I said in other posts, this is a good day for the current term, but if the Liberals aren’t serious about making life better for real Canadians (not the super-wealthy ones), there’s a good chance that this is only exacerbating an inevitable collapse.
This is the part a lot of US liberals are missing. Those red states are shit holes now. Look bombed out and war torn because industry left and took the money with them, and they were thriving 40 years ago.
A wiser human than me could probably find a way to incentivise companies moving headquarters out of high cost of living areas to more rural areas where rent isn’t half your paycheck.
I think ultimately we need to design an economic system that allows less work and less consumption. You want those outsourced jobs to come back but done by robotics. Coming back to stop needing to ship them halfway across the world, wasting energy. But we need to have a clear(er) vision to what we want to transition to. Like a partially planned and circular economy that covers the basic needs (food, living space, education, news, healthcare) for everyone for free. Otherwise there is nothing to believe in.
The ‘rust belt’ is over 40 years old now. Places like Detroit have started to stabilize.
The high cost of living is everywhere. Capital moves in the blink of an eye, setup a company in a small town and it’ll be bought up and rented out before lunch.
Mark “100 million by 2100” Carney
Kay? If the infrastructure is there what does it matter?
It isn’t? Drive by Hamilton or any other GTA city, shits unreal how expensive housing is and homeless is more pronounced post-covid since they opened the flood gates and reduced CRS requirements so that anyone with a pulse could get in. They only back pedalled now on resuming policies they had pre-covid, but the damage is already done…
They want 100m by the end of the century no? You don’t think we can build infrastructure to support that in 75 years? I wasn’t saying now
No I dont think so, because I have lost faith in provincial governments actually realizing that goal. They cater to nimbys and the status quo
Well, with climate change warming stuff up, we will build on the old permafrost i guess
Immigrants = scary 🥺
Cons seriously need to come up with new talking points, trying to paint Carney as some kind of WEF great replacement agent clearly wasn’t a winning strategy.
Narrator: the infrastructure was not there
Voted liberal, ndp, and green my whole life btw, and spent a decade as a public servant; im not a hate filled person who shits on immigrants, I just want responsible immigration policy, and McKinsey Consulting is evil.
Not there in 75 years? You must be clairvoyant.
The Canadian population rose by almost 20% in the last 5 years. The infrastructure we currently have was not ready for irresponsible immigration policy, and these things need to be done in coordination. I can’t predict the future, but I’m sayin’ my political concerns lie in this decade, not the next century.
Bad immigration policy also fuels distain towards immigrants, and it bolsters people like Pierre Pollivre, and I think we probably both agree that’s a bad thing
and it bolsters people like Pierre Pollivre, and I think we probably both agree that’s a bad thing
Yes
And you’re right to say we have housing issues. Getting rid of rent control was a poor choice in ontario. Corporate landlords are another. We have many vacant homes in Canada that should be filled. There are many things that need to change, and I am hopeful that these changes can be made before canada had 100 million in population
You know, we could do better. 150 seems reasonable.
Yeah neoliberals… the reason they want that is to get cheap laborers. Can’t believe they are so brazen about it.
Finally something to celebrate in this general vicinity. Congratulations, Canada.
Go Canada!!
The only thing I didn’t like about the liberals is the needless gun control they enact that basically banned almost all semi-auto rifles and halted new sales on handguns.
Of course I want them to fucking solve the housing crisis. Holy shit! Finding a place to stay is insane. They better do that at least.
Why do you think the liberal party refuses to pass the electoral reform they promised? They want you hostage. They want you to be desperate and to give up civil liberties to keep the conservatives at bay.
Lets be honest, hand guns were pretty much banned before. Nobody wants to call the cops twice every time they go shooting.
No they were not. And you didn’t need to call the cops to go to the shooting range, it is included in the RPAL.
I’m pretty sure if you were moving the gun, you had to call it in.
https://rcmp.ca/en/firearms/firearms-safety-training-transport-and-storage/authorization-transport
Changes to automatic Authorizations to Transport restricted and prohibited firearms were brought into force on July 7, 2021. This change now requires licenced owners of registered firearms to obtain an Authorizations to Transport from the provincial or territorial Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) in order to transport a restricted or prohibited firearm** to any place other than to:**
a. an approved shooting club or shooting range within the owner’s province of residence, or
b. to the firearm’s place of storage after purchase.
Oh, okay. Everyone here just shoots on crown land, so I missed that.
You cannot shoot a restricted anywhere other than an approved shooting range.
Non-restricted weapons have very little control in Canada. This is why a lot of people were pissed at the constant addition of more and more guns. Guns that were non-restricted suddenly became prohibited. These kinds of sweeping bans are not good. Hell we could do away with a lot of bans in canada but just keep the licensing scheme. That is working well enough. There is simply no need to ban semi-autos at all.
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Kind of a bummer watching how duopolistic Canada is, TBH.
FPTP do be like that. It’s actually kind or remarkable we have significant minor parties.
True story.
Definitely makes Canada stand out relative to the US, where the choices are bad and apocalyptic bad.
If coalition governments are more democratic it’s crazy how France, Austria, Germany, and Czech Republic (and probably more) all support genocide, prevent protests against it, accuse citizens of being antisemites, and veto attempts by international courts to do something about genocide. But then again, other coalitions like in Belgium can go against the trend.
At least Canada’s two party system turned away from Trump. Canadians did better with two parties than other countries can do with 20.
At least Canada’s two party system turned away from Trump.
For now. America did the same in 2020, not that it mattered in the end.
Turning away from Trump doesn’t matter when you get the same result wrapped in a more polite package.
