Actor/Comedian Bill Burr. I always found his comedy to be a “gateway drug” to right wing radicalization.
Not a right winger though. I hope he’s a gateway drug for right wingers to some actual human empathy
He is definitely not right wing. He’s speaking up against that shit very loudly these days
I disagree with many of his views, but I definitely wouldn’t call him right-wing. He seems to me more like a libertarian from before “don’t tread on me” actually meant “please tread on me.” Hell, he’s said the CEO of Nestle should be shot.
He also downplayed the risk of electing Trump (first time around) with a “what’s the worst that could happen” attitude. I also can’t stand his misogynist attitude towards women “what could Michelle Obama teach us? How to tell if a dick smells presidential?”
To me that’s an attitude catering directly to the alt-right, incel crowd.
This is what gets me too. Dude has some demeaning views on women’s rights topics.
mike rowe did the same, after trump got elected in 16’ he got down and started downplaying donald.
I felt the same until I heard him speak for extended periods. My wife LOVES him and convinced me to give him a second chance; I think you should too. He has the affect of being a rightwing dipshit, but if you give him a chance, you will find this is not the case.
Bruce Willis and Tom Cruise
I get Tom Cruise but given Bruce Willis’ mental decline I’m willing to overlook the last decade or two of his career.
Yeah, I meant his work, not so much him as a person (which I know nothing about).
Young Bruce Willis was hilarious and nuanced. Hudson Hawk, Death Becomes Her, 12 Monkeys, the Jackal, and of course Moonlighting. He was willing to do wacky and silly and serious, and created memorable characters. He deserves to be remembered for that. The recent cash grabs should be ignored when considering his body of work. Pretty much everything since the Sin City sequel.
He basically was just working to provide for his family before his mental difficulties caught up with him, as I understand it.
Yeah, iirc he got the diagnosis and just told his agent to say yes to literally everything he could do.
His acting was superb in Oceans Twelve!
(He played “Bruce Willis as himself”.)
Kristen Schaal - I absolutely hated her in 30 Rock and that just stuck with me. But I’m starting to come around since What We Do in the Shadows. I also never had a problem with her voice acting.
Joaquin Phoenix.
If you hated him in gladiator, that was the intention.
I get that. He is good. It probably stems more from that very weird point, where he was doing kind of Andy Kaufman thing.
Rapping and that weird interview on Letterman, where he was giving one word answers to all of his questions.
What if I hate him in everything else too?
I am rather susceptible to hating actors because of some role they played. I literally hated Hugh Grant for no other reason than him being an asshole to Bridget Jones. I am now scared to watch Gladiator.
Ryan Reynolds. Man got married on a plantation and no one seems to care, plus he plays the same character in everything he’s in.
At least on Detective Pikachu he tried doing something different, but was told “no, we dont want acting, we want Ryan Reynolds”, so it might be more of a typecasting problem.
He is very involved in the branding that results in his typecasting, so I have no pitty for it.
He’s actually done a lot of movies playing against type that I enjoyed. But,to be fair, he’s paid millions of dollars to be Ryan Reynolds
Oh my god, yes. He was fine using that schtick in one movie, but it’s every goddamn film he’s in…
dint know that about, hes even more cringed when he collabed with rob machlenny to buy a soccer team.(both are cringe)
This was my hometown’s team. It’s super strange having it put on the map, where basically everybody knows this story, and before then nothing at all.
It’s absolutely just a random investment in a potentially very lucrative industry. 21st century football is massively swayed by who can spend the most money, especially below the very top level where the money becomes too ridiculous. Wrexham had the oldest active ground in the UK and the ground itself is particularly goodnfkr the level of play. Wrexham had dropped from 3rd division to like 5th, near 6th when he bought it (I think). But Wrexham as a city isn’t small, it’s the largest population centre in North Wales, and before it gained city status in 2022, was a larger town than many of the cities near it. All it really needed to do well was investment, where it had the facilities to be tenfold more successful if anybody actually paid for it, it’s the same for probably a dozen other teams across the UK.
But the investment worked of course, and the team has done amazingly well since then. But don’t consider this anything but an investment where two celebrities used their image to aid it’s success.
Man got married on a plantation
Aren’t former plantations now just pretty places to take wedding shots? When I worked picking grapes, the winery was ALWAYS hosting weddings.
Any picture in the USA is a spit in the face of the native Americans.
Getting married at a historic plantation in the South is like getting married at a former concentration camp. It’s spitting on the graves of those who were tortured there.
Owen Wilson
He’s actually pretty good as Mobius in the Loki series
That’s true. I think some “bad actors” just get roped into playing particular characters, and then when they get a part that’s completely different it turns out they’re not actually that bad.
There’s also the element of maturity. Young actors rarely know how to handle both new fame and their craft
Oh, woooow
Add Ben Stiller and Vince Vaughn to that pile. Can’t stand any of 'em.
Ben Stiller is a really good director however… see Severance for an example
Tom Cruise & Will Smith.
I like Will Smith.
My former peer talks about Will Smith a lot. I was working in a city where they film a lot of stuff, and Will would travel before filming started. He’d come in, book a bit of the mayor’s time, and thank him for letting them film. He’d waste his day touring the city and seeing local groups as a drop-in guest, and then bail. The guy really worked on his image and PR and seemed to come off as generally a good guy … before.
Jason Momoa. Can’t act, plays every character the same, and can’t seem to keep himself from smirking in every moment of screentime.
Also Paul Dano. Someone else mentioned Leo’s “imposter syndrome” and I would apply that to Dano also. I can’t tell if he’s acting too much or not enough, but he always feels out of place.
Paul Dano was perfect in Swiss Army Man, that sense of “out of place” actually worked incredibly well for that film.
Cringe comedy actors like Ferrell. Just saying or doing stupid cringeworthy shit that really isn’t funny to make a situation more uncomfortable and unbelievable.
I agree with this comment in general, but don’t think Ferrell is a good example. Or really, maybe he is a good example, but the way his movies are shot isn’t a good example.
In Ferrell movies, the gag is that the actor says or does something outrageously dumb, and then the other actors largely go along with it, either pumping up the idea, or being coerced by it, or stomping it down in a hilariously insulting fashion. If there is ever a moment of awkward silence, it lingers for a second before the scene ends. Arrested Development is another example of this being done well. It’s a farce - the actions are so bizarre and outlandish that we can’t possibly imagine ourselves doing it, so we are absolved of sympathy for the cartoonish actor and enjoy seeing them fumble their way through the scene.
But there is a new wave of “cringe comedy” that seems to not understand what a farce is. A character will do something just beyond the limit of what we could imagine ourselves doing, so we can still identify with the character. Then the other characters react in the way people would react in real life - with stern condemnation or cold shouldering. And the scene goes on and on and on. It is terrible.
Will Ferrell, Steve Carrel and Ben Stiller are the 3 horsemen of the comedy apocalypse
Leonardo DiCaprio. I get huge, cringy ‘imposter syndrome’ vibes from him, like he knows he shouldn’t be doing this for a living but soldiers on regardless. I’ve never bought into a single one of his performances. He always seems like he’s ‘acting’, and never really embodies the characters or reacts ‘in the moment’. It’s all a poor imitation of what he has seen other actors do.
I hate that he became Scorsese’s new De Niro, and so when I hear of a new Scorsese film I get excited and then immediately lose interest knowing that DiCaprio is probably gonna be leading it. Literally every film he has done would have been better with a different actor.
Also Nicolas Cage. I get the memey antifan sort of thing that bolsters his career, but let’s be honest, there’s no hint of talent in the man. He has ruined what might have been great films. Bringing Out the Dead could have been a legit classic if not for his involvement.
I don’t generally have an issue with Leo but the imposter syndrome comment is on point. He does have a vibe and that description sums it up well.
Leonardo DiCaprio. I get huge, cringy ‘imposter syndrome’ vibes from him
Exact opposite feelings here, and I generally have a hard time suspending disbelief. I remember seeing The Basketball Diaries (this was before Titanic) and being blown away by his acting. I’d say this is a rare example of an actor being held back by good looks. A lot of folks have just not wanted to admit that this particular heartthrob has genuine talent. To contrast with, for example, Keanu, or Clooney.
He’s the modern Robert Redford
Apt, never noticed that parallel
He always seems like he’s ‘acting’, and never really embodies the characters or reacts ‘in the moment’. It’s all a poor imitation of what he has seen other actors do.
Very good explanation, thank you!!
Finally I can explain with words why I hate the front side of his head so much.
I’ve never bought into a single one of his performances. He always seems like he’s ‘acting’, and never really embodies the characters or reacts ‘in the moment’. It’s all a poor imitation of what he has seen other actors do.
Yes! exactly. You just summed up my thinking better than I could.
I can’t believe I forgot about Nicolas Cage!
Nice call!
The man does not have a single molecule of acting ability anywhere within his soul.
Edit… Holy shit, I looked up a meme I made on Digg like 20 years ago, it’s somewhere out on the internet!!! Yeah I did make it lol
Yeah but nobody likes him
🤷♂️ guess I’m nobody
Oh jeez I’m sorry dude it’s ok here’s a point up or whatever we call it here. For what it’s worth I remember I did enjoy this one movie where he plays these twin writers or something. And that was double Cage right there
Haha, no worries man. It’s just a light hearted conversation.
I’ll meet you half way and say that even though I enjoy his movies, I don’t think I’d like hanging out with him
Why dude, could be fun, cocaine’s a hell of a drug hahahah
Will Ferrell
Genuinely almost ruined the Barbie movie for me. They could’ve had so many better actors in that role.
I just do not find him humorous.
Thank you. I can’t stand his humor. Cringe on top of cringe with a side of cringe with nothing to balance out the cringe. Just not my cup of tea.
He’s the guy that can be brilliantly funny about 1% of the time, but that 1% is completely canceled-out by the 99% of other material, which is him just randomly throwing shit at the wall. He’s truly awful and I dread seeing him.
More cowbell. That’s it. The only funny thing he’s ever done. Although the t-shirt did most of the heavy lifting.
Oh yes, he is a very wicked bad actor for the greater good of bad!
I honestly don’t enjoy his sense of humor, he is not too awful in serious roles but still don’t go out of my way to watch. I could say the same for Seth Rogen, his laugh just annoys me to no end.
I do like that sense of humor, which is why I don’t like Will Ferrell. He’s always trying to be Chevy Chase but with out the timing r talent at pratfalls
It’s mostly SNL humour, which imo is not the best as it kind of relies on being self aware that you’re in a comedy. It’s not for everyone so I can see why you think that.
I get this. I was listening to a podcast, Conan O’Brien’s I think, where Will Ferrell came up and they were talking about how he’s typically a pretty straightforward and serious kind of person off camera.
He turns it on for the camera but it’s not who he is in real life. There’s nothing wrong with it per se but it made him seem a lot more disingenuous to me.
I think a lot of comedians are this way, and it makes sense. Most of us have a “work persona” that is not exactly the same as what we would consider our “real” personality.
For a more genuine version Will Ferrell, and just a hell of a story of friendship and overcoming challenges, I heartily recommend the documentary Will & Harper.
That’s the road trip film he did right? I think I have it, just haven’t watched it yet.
I’m waiting for women to come out of the woodwork about him, tbh.
Jack Black. Seems like a nice dude, but he’s a an annoying presence in every movie he’s in. His is the definition of a “sweat act”.
I think a lot of people are turning to this opinion.
He turned his back on his bandmate after said bandmate made a joke about wishing Trump got assassinated, and he condemned palestine for standing up to their oppressors. He’s a shitlib at best
To be fair, the only Palestine comments I’ve seen were from immediately after Oct 7, when that was a fairly reasonable take.
Still though, total sellout. Tenacious D defined my adolescence and it’s really disheartening to watch JB heel turn after tasting that Kung Fu Panda money.
I agree about Palestine, where there was a huge, disheartening cry from America in October - December 2023, when the general attitude was that this was all a terrorist attack, and not the beginning of a genocide. I am definitely wary of celebrities who made pro Israel statements then, but I feel many felt expected to, or were just grossly misinformed.
He does sort of just suck though. I feel the internet’s perception of his soured so fast in the 2020s, from beloved to loathed, and all he did was keep doing what he always does, just with a tiny amount more selling out, which was enough to snowball the hate.
2005 JBles would call 2025 JB a sellout, no question. The man who raged against City Hall for 9 minutes. I always assumed “as long as there’s a record deal we’ll always be friends” was more tongue in cheek.
We’re ahead of the curve on this one. I’ve found him annoying for decades, and now it turns out he’s kinda a shitty person, too. It always annoyed me that he was Reddit’s darling.
Ben Afflict.
Was very weird how everyone liked that he was chosen as Batman, he was such a bad Batman. He actually gave rich prick vibes.
I dont recall everyone liking that he was chosen as Batman, in fact as I recall most people were like “Ben Affleck?! That guy from Mallrats and Gigli?”
Same, never liked the guy either
I think that’s why I enjoyed Gone Girl. I didn’t have to like him and his smugness or whatever worked into the character.
I like the actor, but definitely did not do well in that role. They went for the big name over appropriate casting and the movie suffered
I mean, the acting wasn’t terrible, but the writing was fucking atrocious. I think Ben could have done a stellar job if it had been literally any other production team behind it.
I agree, I think he could have pulled off the same persona written for both Bale and Patterson’s batmen. He’s also played a lot of assholes, and I’m not sure how much that just develops into a feeling that gets under your skin.
Not defending Affleck here, but isn’t Bruce Wayne a rich prick?
No, he pretends to be but deep down he cares more about justice.
Or at least that’s the version I’m used to from Christian Bale’s Batman and the games.
In the dark knight trilogy, Bruce intentionally lives on the streets for a few years and only goes back to use his money to fight injustice.
The whole point of Batman is a rich guy who has a very strong moral compass cause his parents were murdered. It’s not suppose to be realistic, it’s a fantasy.
I most loved how Kevin Conroy’s Batman from the Animated Series portrayed this aspect of the character. Conroy did measurably different voices for Batman and Bruce which made it completely clear that Bruce was the false persona being put on for appearances while Batman was the real voice and personality, and also sold how good Batman was at pretending to be Bruce when needed. Conroy’s Batman isn’t just a ninja genius detective, he’s also a good actor, and to portray that as well as he did Conroy had to be an awesome actor.
Conroy’s Bruce Wayne is as close to his “normal” speaking voice as I’ve ever heard, but he makes it sound like an affect in ways that are hard to describe. He was truly a great one.
My hot take is that Christian Bales was the worst thing about that Batman trilogy, and I love Christian bale in most things he’s in.
People liked Batfleck because he was the closest to comic Batman looks-wise. Tall, physically imposing, square jaw, rugged, etc. He was also the best part of the Snyder movies and that’s a low bar. His version was also an older, disillusioned Bruce/Batman which is why he was more prick-ish.
gave rich prick vibes.
psst. Batman was often portrayed as a rich prick.
Ray Romano
He was good on Dr Katz
Pretty much every comic who guested as one of Dr. Katz’s patients can count that appearance among their best work. I loved that show so much, and not enough people know about it anymore.
That’s because they were all doing their best comic routines against another excellent comic. They could tweak the timing and the delivery and do all their best stuff as good as it can be done to the best possible audience. The premise was perfect for it.
They can do that in movies and other TV shows too…
I suppose comics have done that. Like Seinfeld worked bits into the show, especially in the early seasons. But that was all Jerry’s stand up. Roseanne was the same early on, many of the sitcom premises and monologues were from Barr’s stand up routines. But it was never like weekly guests got an opportunity to film and edit a tight five. I honestly can’t think of another movie or show that did it, except maybe talk shows? But then it’s still a performance in front of an audience. You can’t workshop a line or a pause during the Late Show, unless it’s a satirical talk show like Between Two Ferns or Eric Andre.
not surprising that jerry irl turned out a pos irl.
He reason that Gene Hackman gave up acting, also he right wing asshole.
I think Gene Hackman gave up acting because of the dementia. He acted til he was nearly 75 years old.
I felt this way until I saw him in the big sick
pratt, rob machlenny, despite him making isaip, hes really super pretentious iRL which also translated to his show. watched his interviews has given over the pandemic and beond, and hes been collaborating with questionable people, luke ryan reynold and mannings, in order to mooch of people in hollywood.
Julia Roberts.
She was awarded a Best Actress trophy or whatever the fuck it’s called… She couldn’t even act surprised. Because she obviously knew she was getting it ahead of time.
I dunno why any of them act surprised, they and we are perfectly aware they know beforehand. It’s wierd that they do.
Being an alleged Actress receiving Best Actress Award; Weeks to prepare; blows performance.
The entirely farcicle performance?
You really have trouble connecting basic concepts don’t you
Yeah, me and ya Mum.
The block feature is the best thing that Lemmy has - I’ll think I’ll use it right now.
Excellent.
Do they always thought? I think mostly, they just act grateful, and happy.
