Carbs are much worse than fat. So drinking dozens of grams of sugar every day and putting sugar in every food is worse than eating fatty food.
Wait, what is pea pure?
Misspelling of puree (or pureé), most likely referring to the UK’s mushy peas,which are ubiquitous in chip shops over there
I think I’m the only Northerner who hates those. Curry sauce though…
mushy peas
And yet the number of people obese in the USA is almost double that of the UK.
It’s the corn syrup more than the fried food honestly. The number of people who drink soda all day is wild.
And not just soda. Corn syrup is everywhere. So much of our food is crazy sweet.
Even your bread is full of sugar.
Legally, it’s cake
I used to work with a morbidly obese lady that kept a 2 litre of mountain dew at her desk at all times. She’d come in every Monday with 2 of them. It was wild to me.
And a car enforced society zeor active tranaport
This dude (Gen Z american living in the UK) talks about it in this vid (amongst other things) he walks to the grocery store walks home, cycles to work etc as jet says, he could own a car but doesn’t need one.
And honestly us Brits are pretty fucking lazy when it comes to walking compared to a lot of Europe too
The number of people I know in America who “can’t” drink just water and have to have some syrup flavored drink instead is astounding. Dude, you’re complaining about your weight. Maybe cut back on the sugar for one drink per day.
Depending on the region the soda may actually be healthier, we have looped right back to people avoiding water because it’s dangerous but instead of parasites it’s pollution and parasites.
Note I do drink water but only from my fridge with a high quality filter, tap water is a coin flip and if I can taste anything other than water I’m assuming it’s contaminated.
You can buy bottled water. It is still cheaper than soda.
Coin flip on them still being tap water from a warehouse two blocks away. You are greatly overestimating how safe water is in the US even if it does vary from state to state. Also it isn’t necessarily cheaper, I saw a 2 litre of soda for a buck fifty at a Walmart in rural Idaho an equivalent water on the other side of the isle was three bucks, not even factoring in coupons and whatnot.
The US is quite literally unraveling at the seems but the rich and powerful don’t want to do anything about it.
Coin flip on them still being tap water from a warehouse two blocks away.
Source? Because I doubt this very much. Bottled water, much as the companies selling it to you would like to say otherwise, is a commodity. And as a commodity, it benefits from economies of scale. Coca-Cola, eg, is going to bottle all of their water in a few massive bottling facilities across the country. Generic brand grocery store water is going to follow the same logic - the store will either own or contract out their water bottling to a company with just a handful of facilities across the country which specialize in bottling water. Is it just tap water? Yes. But the bottling facility chooses the tap water they use carefully - after all, no one is going to want to buy water that has too much sulfur or calcium. And while they’re at it, they’re going to make sure the tap water is actually safe to drink. Sure, multinational corporations would like to actively kill you so they can make money on your funeral expenses - but they hate getting sued even more. And if you poison 10,000 people with unsafe drinking water, that’s a hell of a class action lawsuit - which is why corporations have armies of lawyers dedicated to ensuring that this doesn’t happen.
saw a 2 litre of soda for a buck fifty at a Walmart in rural Idaho an equivalent water on the other side of the isle was three bucks
I just checked. A gallon of water on Amazon is $1.37. And that’s with the convenience of being delivered straight to your door within 2 days. At basically every grocery store I’ve gone to, water is about $1 per gallon. I don’t doubt that there are some places where this is true - but I’ve never seen it.
I will also note that neither I nor no one I know has ever been noticeably affected by drinking either tap water or bottled water. To the best of my knowledge, the problem of toxic drinking water only exists in a few places in the US, and those places are well documented.
The US is quite literally unraveling at the seems but the rich and powerful don’t want to do anything about it.
Ah, yes, the doomer rhetoric. Wouldn’t be Lemmy without it. This is the worldview of the terminally online. Go out into the real world, and you’ll see most people are doing pretty okay. Sure, they have worries and challenges - but almost everyone is clothed, fed, housed, and drinking clean water. The economy is getting a bit worse, but most people still have jobs and can afford the basic necessities. Try going to an actual developing nation with an actual non-functioning government, and there you’ll find… well you’ll actually find that people are still doing mostly okay. Because at the end of the day, people are generally resilient and will find solutions to problems the government fails to solve. A good, functioning government can help out a lot, and I’d certainly prefer that the US government was better… but the US isn’t some kind of failed state. That’s just doomer nonsense.
I once had a conversation with a bariatric surgeon about weight loss. She was convinced that exercise was the key to sustainable weight loss. I disagreed, saying I thought diet was far more important, noting that most americans ate like trash. She seemed a bit offended that I was disagreeing with her, a doctor specializing in weight loss, about this topic. She was more understanding when I told her that I’d lost a lot of weight simply by cutting out soda. Her look then morphed to something akin to confused horror as I told her that, as a child, I had consistently drank an average of 6 cans of soda per day, every day, and I estimated that this was pretty standard for everyone I knew growing up.
Hey, are you me!? I tore through 12 packs of Dr. Thunder as a child like a mfer. Then finally lost 85-90 pounds in my late 20s or so.
There’s another major reason tbh, cheap shite is unhealthy for you but very quick and easy to cook
And there’s more people in USA that live under the breadline, where they’re working stupid long shifts for stupid low pay - because there is not anything better available for them
Something I noticed when visiting the US. I went to one of their Wendy’s to try it out, and ordered a small chicken burger. It was very dry and bland, not really that good, yet I looked up the nutritional info and apparently this small burger alone was over 1200kcals??
I’m fairly sure it was the bun that did that as I doubt they raise some kind of super chicken with an energy density similar to petrol.
Anyway, surprise surprise I ended up with heartburn afterwards.
Edit: people always talk about the percentage of people who are obese in these discussions, but have you noticed just how big obese people can get in the states?
Genuinely, almost every day I was there I caught myself accidentally stopping and staring because I’d just seen someone fatter than I thought humanly possible. Like so big that I couldn’t understand how their flesh didn’t just tear and fall off their skeleton.
It was very dry and bland, not really that good, yet I looked up the nutritional info and apparently this small burger alone was over 1200kcals??
Fried food hides a lot of fat and carbs in the fried breading. There are a lot of calories in that crunchy matrix.
Walkable areas go a long way
Notice how anon never mentions seeing any fat people tho…
The trend for obesitas in Europe has been steadily climbing. I read that in the Netherlands the adults have over 50% overweight
overweight is not obese
Splitting hairs. Yall are fat now too
And yet both are true if you look at the numbers
Can’t speak for all of Europe, but I was in Germany for a couple weeks and I saw just as many fat people there that I see at home in America.
according to wikipedia the united states are 42.9% obese and germany 24.2%, what may instead be happening is either not being accurate in your headcount or that in germany obese people go outside more than in america or that maybe obesity is distributed differently, potentially similarly in both countries but you were only for example in rural areas in america but only in urban areas in germany
Or perhaps they were in a touristic area which had lots of Americans.
Check the actual calculation. In a study I saw about the most obese cities, the calculation was number of restaurants per square mile. So nothing to do with actual obesity.
Restaurants per square mile? That’s an obscenely stupid metric for measuring obesity.
I live in the fattest province in Canada, who is also compared to the rest of the world one of the fatter countries. But going to Tennessee and Texas, man… it’s a different beast down there. Obesity is such an issue that it makes you think something is gravely wrong down there. Idk if it’s the culture or the infrastructure or the food or what but it’s not good.
It’s probably the sugar and rampant allergies to exercise.
Do you see Abby supersized soda bucketa?
carne et lacte vivant
from caesar’s report about the brits: they live off meat and milk
Been to Seoul. Every place there gives you tons of side dishes that you cant possibly eat all. People are still very very thin there on average. Ofc, cant judge whole country by one city. But maybe city’s landscape helps them keep themselves in shape.
Yeah but aren’t the side dishes like seaweed salad and kimchi?
Depends on a place and an order. Some places give just kimchi and radish. Some other places have bunch of stuff to the main course.
All of which are some variation of pickled veggies
Dont think that dried small fish in oil, bunch of boiled meat and a some different types of sausages are all pickled veggies.
I should’ve had made some food pictures to prove my point.
Not necessary, Wikipedia has a pretty extensive article on this, including a long list of dishes that are commonly served.
Yes, not all of these are vegetables, and not all are of them pickled, but the vast majority is.
You’re still describing low carb super foods…
Another anecdote telling - real butter doesn’t make you fat.
Yeah sure… The long-standing obesity rates in southern states has nothing to do with butter being the baseline sauce on everything
It probably has to do with margarine being the base ingredient for butter.
<insert that weird 90s auntie video of margarine butter recipe>Oh and also, the choice to inhale tobacco smoke(and make others do so) in your free time, rather than exercise the muscles near fatty regions.
It does if you eat enough of it
As a general rule sugars are more of an issue than fats, because fats sate hunger while sugar does not. Butter doesn’t make you fat because you don’t eat enough of it to
I used to eat whole bags (2-300 grams) of chips/crisps. Whatever satiating effect fat might have is easily counteracted with glutamate and aromas. I’ll overeat on practically anything it it’s tasty, high calourie and easy to get.
I know that chips/crisps don’t contain butter, but I hope you’re not seriously telling me that they would be significantly more satiating if they were made with butter instead of vegetable oil.
I hope you’re not seriously telling me that they would be significantly more satiating if they were made with butter instead of vegetable oil
You’d be in for a surprise…
There is this thing called clarified butter (Ghee) and you can actually cook in it (not affordably though, as any good quality one would be in Olive oil like category).
I tend to try it out a few times (because it is still way cheaper than eating out, where they would still use palmoline despite their markup) when I am free and although heat control can be tricky depending upon the Ghee source and target recipe, it can make a great difference.
It’s very difficult to over-eat saturated fat because absorption requires bile, and there is a limited amount in the gall bladder. My understanding is that eating more than you can absorb results in it going right through you.
Yes, let us come to a conclusion by comparing the obesity of one nation to the abundance of delicious food establishments of another.
In what is likely a touristy or well traveled section. Sometimes the difference includes how we do our transportation too, like more walking/biking. Maybe a difference in how often we rely on said restaurants too.
You can’t rate world cuisine on England
Absolute zero is a useful reference point.
Low key amazing comment
I love how the post never mentions the country, but everyone just knows.
They did say fish and chips which is kind of an iconic British food.
Curry shops even moreso.
Hilarious that this is true and yet the US is still somehow fatter.
There is a vast difference between eating shitty food once a day while being able to walk everywhere and eating shitty food three meals a day and not walking anywhere.
The US both massively overeats the shitty food and is very sedentary for the most part. A bit contributor is our absolutely terrible work culture that wears people out so much that they seek pleasure from food and entertainment in the few spare hours they have each week because they are constantly advertised to encouraging that behavior.
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I drink a gallon of milk a day (no joke). Take a look at my profile picture 😁
You are being downvoted because what works for you is not going to work for everyone, and pretending like it will makes you look like an asshole.
As someone who’s lactose intolerant, it is annoying to find stuff without dairy in it. Not impossible of course, but it is in the most random shit.
I’m going to tag you as the milk guy
By cutting out milk, you also cut out most ultra processed food which is the more likely culprit. Europeans consume plenty of dairy.
It’s not just the milk but milk is a rich source of nutrition and over consumed in the west.
The obesity crisis is due to excessive calories in all foods, including massive overuse of sugar in processed foods, high levels of red meats and fat etc and low levels of fruit and vegetables. This is combined with physical inactivity.
Southern Europe doesn’t have the same levels of obesity - about 10% in Italy compared to 20% in the UK and 36% in the US. They have a “Mediterranean diet” which is low fat, low sugar, with more fish, fruits and vegetables. Japan also has low obesity rates of 5-6% and again has a much healthier diet. Their rate is going up and it seems to be due to increasing westernised diet.
And the overuse of sugar is because the sugar can mask cheaper ingredients and lower amounts of spices.
Why sell an instant curry full of expensive spices if you can cut half of them out and just replace them with sugar and salt? Why use decent meat if you can just use cheap shitty meat and add sugar to hide the fact that it’s flavorless? Why use real cream in the sauce if you can add some skim milk powder, palm oil, a thickening agent, and yet more sugar at half the price?
Or food is getting enshittified and it’s having a real impact on our health. But since public health doesn’t factor into food companies’ bottom line that’s not just tolerated but desired.
Having just come back to the US from Europe, I immediately miss nutriscore on groceries. A to E letter grades for the purpose of comparing two similar products to tell which are higher in sugar/salts/saturated fatty acids and which have more protein/fiber/fruits/vegetables/healthy oils. It was so nice picking up, say, two boxes of cereal and going “oh. This one is full of garbage and this one isn’t.” Not a perfect system, but a very valuable one
In a similar vein, Germany has a neat labeling system¹ for the conditions under which animals (for meat, dairy, etc.) are kept. There are five levels, each of which has specific minimum criteria per type of animal. Basically, 1 and 2 are shit-tier, 3 is semi-decent, 4 is vaguely free-range, and 5 is “organic” (as vaguely defined as that term is).
That makes it easier to avoid buying from animal torture dungeons, plus it stands to reason that products from animals kept on better conditions have a better chance of being of good quality.
The labels are voluntary. However, you can find them on a good number of products, especially since a label with one of the higher levels has marketing value. I know I definitely prefer products that are at least level 4.
Notably, there are efforts to pressure supermarkets into abandoning level 1 and 2 products altogether, with Aldi having promised to do so for most products by 2030 and other chains giving weasely but vaguely affirmative statements.
¹ Yes, the website doesn’t seem to be fully translated. But at least the level definitions are in English.
eats a tub of sugary chocolate sugar every morning
Pretty sure it’s the milk, guys!
It’s not the milk lol.
It’s the HFS. Not fucking milk. Like, yes, milk as a drink is high calorie and was forced on us by marketing in the 90s-00s, but drinking milk isn’t what’s making people fat.
The people who managed to NOT gain an extra 160 pounds that they needed to lose might know something about not gaining weight…
Stop eating anything with milk in it
NO!
It’s sugar.
Sugar & HFCS
Replying to your edit since you felt it was reasonable to retroactively be rude in an edit like a coward instead of at least in reply.
Damn, i guess managing my weight to be within 10lbs of my desired target weight for the last 10 years doesnt count because ive never in my life weighed enough to have to lose a lot of weight.
I consciously work to shed weight when I’m over and gain weight when I’m under. But what do i know?
I’m just a fuckbrained dogmatist.Right? I’ve never had more than an extra 20lbs to lose so I guess I know nothing about weight management.
Egypt beat us? Pick up that fork soldier, we can’t let them win!
I recently tried to compare data on morbid obesity, but most countries don’t even have a rate, or only include the data as a sub- 1% share of the obesity.
And the US it’s 9.5%
As in, 30% of the US has a BMI between 30 and 40, and 10% is over 40.
Britain is projected to be the fattest country in Europe. So don’t think all those chippies and pub food aren’t taking a toll.
It also matters how much sugar is in food and drinks!
Yup, a child size soda is the size of a small child. That adds up.
