Looks like someone took some shots at prez candidate Donald Trump at a rally in PA. From the videos I’ve seen, it looks like he did get grazed.

  • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Half the comments here are proving that people on the right aren’t the only ones who can indulge in stupid conspiracy theories.

    It’s depressing as fuck.

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      On this topic as a whole, it’s also proving people on the left are in favor of gun violence…

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          Not every time at all. Franco, Salazar, and Pinochet were not defeated via guns.

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        Not like it really needs proving. When Marx writes about “revolution,” he means bloody, violent revolution.

        Anyone advocating revolution needs guns to back it up or else they’re just full of hot air.

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          Elections were meant to be bloodless revolutions. Unfortunately with First Past The Post voting, the right options were not available to vote for. But we can change how we vote. We can make peaceful revolution possible with a more representative electoral system.

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      Q-Anon level thinking that somehow Trump is a mastermind of this. The dude who can’t hide stolen files properly, can’t lie on his taxes properly, and loses money on a casino, somehow has the ability to rig a false flag assassination attempt.

      Are NeoLibs that so far into the Kool-Aid that Dipshit Trump is also a grandmaster 5D chess player of this, while not being able to string words together? It’s not like he’s even been a good actor.

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            I’d imagine that there are a lot of rather confused individuals in a number of countries, and when tempers run high around politics…shrugs

            I don’t know if the US would be particularly bad. Would need to have some kind of way to quantify that.

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        Trump isn’t even the mastermind of his own bowel movements. If this was staged it was all planned by his Russian handlers.

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          Your gullibility making you believe a conspiracy theory over your own eyes.

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        It doesn’t take a mastermind. Dictators faking assassination attempts to garner support isn’t new.

        • Queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          “All right ear me big sniper guy, it’s going to be an attempted assassination, the biggest ever, you are going to shoot me close, like danger close but don’t worry I’m the best president, really I’m the best and you are the best sniper, the best sniper in the whole country. So you shoot me near the ear, near enough that blood comes out, I know scary stuff, but we are tough guys, the toughest so you do it and I resist and together we make the best attempted staged assassination ever”

          • Shamelessly stolen from a blog
      • pivot_root@lemmy.world
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        It’s fun to indulge in, and it doesn’t change the fact that shit is about to hit the fan, regardless of whether the shooter was someone with a legitimate desire or a paid gunman. Trump was just given and used a golden ticket to both rally republicans to vote for him, and to incite his diehard followers into another insurrection.

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          Sure, but I don’t think being an ironic conspiracy theorist on the levels of Q-Anon is going to make anyone seem better.

          Trump was already going to do that. Trump would do it if someone sneezed on him. They already considered him a martyr. They already wanted/have an Enabling Act. The only thing this changes is a bit less blood in him, and 3 people died. Trump already had higher polling numbers.

          Fascism is here. Get ready.

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        A “false flag assassination attempt” is not as hard to rig if you know it won’t be properly investigated.

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      But why would you even think that people on the left are different from people on the right? This is why I’m not into politics myself. Because it all builds on some fake idea that one side is right about everything, even good people, while the other is wrong about everything, and probably are bad people as well.

      In reality, both sides are very similar and have much more incommon with eachother than they have with the politicians they are trying to support.

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      What’s worse is that the MAGA crowd has Trump and some other figures intentionally playing conspiracies up and adding weight to them. The guys on the left don’t even have the excuse of Biden and company bullshitting.

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        Based on what? Neither of you know who they support or which way they lean.

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        “blue maga” implies that there is a cult of personality around Biden like there is around Trump. That is simple not what anyone opposed to Trump believes in or rallies around.

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          Funny, because people used that term to describe the “vote blue no matter who” people well before Biden was ever a serious contender in the primaries…

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            You mean the primarys for this election that Biden is the sitting president? Or primarys four years ago when he was the guy pushed immediately to the top before the primarys?

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      What I find sad is that either option is equally plausible. That’s how low we have sunk.

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        It isn’t though. There is maybe a 0.01% chance that this was a false flag.

        I know what’s happening is hard to swallow, and the ramifications are deeply troubling, but try not to succumb to baseless conspiracy theories.

        There’s plenty of motive. An attendee was killed. The shooter was killed by Secret Service. There’s not really a reason to think this didn’t actually happen, except for cognitive dissonance.

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          0.01% chance based on what?

          I think being unsure either way makes perfect sense. You gotta admit it doesn’t really line up with Trump’s character to be posing for the cameras if he’s actually being shot at. Though tou’re not wrong to say, that that isn’t proof of anything. It’s subjective feeling.

          But, I think saying it’s entirely unlikely this was orchestrated isn’t right either.

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            Well, a conspiracy requires evidence, and without evidence there’s no reason to treat the conspiracy theory as credible.

            Saying 0% would be unrealistic because there’s always a chance, but if you actually believe that this is a 50/50 toss-up, you’re just delusional and desperate to feel some sense of enlightenment like every other conspiracy theorist moron in the world.

            Given that there is precisely zero evidence of what you are claiming, I’ll estimate as close to zero as I can without pretending it’s impossible.

            But make no mistake, you are deliberately spreading disinformation.

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              I’m not claiming anything. It’s just really, really early after the event.

              My choice of words was not ideal, and I apologize for that.

              I’m just saying being unsure of what happened isn’t crazy so soon after the event.

              You’re out here saying what is and is not likely based on your own feelings about what you feel is true.

              It’s simply too early to say anything definitive about what level of conspiracy existed (in the traditional sense, of more than one person, conspiring).

              I am not saying this was staged. I’m saying you’re jumping the gun, to say so confidently it wasn’t.

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            Your point is that you think you’re allowed to spread misinformation if that misinformation sounds like it maybe could be true. This is the rationale of every conspiracy theorist ever. You’re not making an intellectually honest point here.

            If your point is that you’re a dishonest person who cares more about narrative than facts, point received.

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    One of the videos you can hear “shooter down” before he gets up. Elderly, near death experience, and monumental arrogance would help explain his reaction pretty well!

    Shooting him isn’t the way - but I can see why someone was scared enough to think it was. Just remember kids, voting for Biden isn’t just voting against trumpler - it’s saying you would literally prefer someone who is probably senile overhim. It’s a solid insult, and you should go out there on polling day to make sure he hears it.

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    Well things are about to get a whole lot worse. That raised fist is going to be printed on all the right-wing crazy stuff and they will use this to justify violence against anyone opposing Trump.

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    This fucking shooter could set behind democracy in the US for dozens of years. Land the shots and you martyr him, miss and you galvanize his support. Seriously the conservatives were starting to shift away from the far right after Epstein documents and Project 2025. Now deep state wackos will NEVER go away and resort to crazier armed shit. Seeing people comment that the shooter ‘was so close’ is insane and makes them no better than political extremists.

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      From the article:

      Trump stood up and held his fist in the air with what appeared to be blood dripping down his face.

      Several secret service agents surrounded him as he put his hand up and appeared to shout “fight” to his supporters who began cheering.

      An excellent PR stunt and call to action for his violent insurrectionist supporters, if you ask me.

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      Right after meeting with Orban who just met with Putin? I don’t know if I really think that, but I would say it’s possible.

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      That’s called a false flag attack. I could believe it, but I could also believe it was a sincere attack.

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        Being serious about it for a moment, it’s extremely unlikely that it’s a false flag attack. It’s fun to joke about the idea, but the reality is that it doesn’t appear to be staged, and he’s far too much of a coward to agree to have somebody shoot at him.

        Besides that, there’s plenty of politically-unaffiliated groups or individuals who would probably want him gone just for how his last term contributed to the abortion bans, reunification of church and state (in some states), government corruption, etc.

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          No one needs to actually shoot at him, he can just have a capsule of fake blood in his hand and smear it on himself at the right moment. It’s so easy even he can do it.

          Could also have been a real shooter.

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          Hes fully too much of a coward to be shot at.

          But you’re assuming he was shot at. Ducked, hidden away from camera, then blood on him.

          No one is ducking a bullet

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          there’s also plenty of fence sitters and centrists who I sincerely believe would vote for him on tough guy vibes alone, despite him being a coward

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          Would he be told about this plan? It’d certainly be more convincing if he didn’t know, and was set up by the RNC.

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      Some? They anyone with a functional brain that has been paying attention. Nothing the dude has ever done has been honest.