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A website dedicated to naming ICE and Border Patrol employees is coming under a “prolonged and sophisticated” cyber attack after the Daily Beast revealed it planned to make public 4,500 names of federal immigration staff.
The founder of ICE List said the website was overwhelmed by malicious web traffic originating in Russia after the Beast reported that a huge cache of personal IDs had been leaked to the site by an alleged Department of Homeland Security whistleblower.
The Direct Denial of Service (DDOS) assault, which began on Tuesday evening and is still ongoing at the time of publication, saw a huge number of IPs simultaneously access the website of ICE List, a self-styled “accountability initiative.”
This has successfully overloaded the ICE List’s servers and is preventing people from accessing the site. The timing coincided with ICE List founder Dominick Skinner telling the Daily Beast he would make public the first tranche of names in the dataset, which was leaked following the shooting by an ICE agent of mom Renee Nicole Good.
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Putin - Who’s your friend?
Trump - You are, boss. It’s only you.
FYI - I was able to get through to the Icelist wiki page which now has a 403 Forbidden on it. I don’t know who controls the site rn.
It’s all working pretty smoothly for me now. I think it’s been resolved.
So Russian criminals are helping American GeStaPo fascists in taking over the country? What a coincidence…
Birds of a shitfeather flock together, Randy
Shitapples, Randy. Shitapples.
Shitapillers
You don’t think their names aren’t in the files? Can’t be heads off state from all over the world have so much power being a literal pedophile is the only way to get their heart pumping. Strangling women on the interstate just doesn’t hit the same after a while. (I’m not joking. Or leaders are no better than you average psychopath, the only difference is they are in power and can get away with it.)
Let’s see some email leaks that connect the dots there as well to this attack.
I bet it exists somewhere.
All they needed to do was put out a torrent.
Get ready for a bunch of totally not foreign propaganda bots to explain why that doesn’t make any sense and that somehow YOU are the crazy person for expecting this list to actually exist.
Whoever has this info, if its real is a moron bar none. One torrent and by now it would be everywhere. Instead they create a puff website for it.
… but think of the donations! /s
ICElist has been there before the leak though.
The Direct Denial of Service (DDOS) assault,
That’s not was DDOS means: Distributed Denial of Service
…meaning it comes from so many different sources its very hard to block.
AI doesn’t know that.
It’s a common acronym. This isn’t the kind of thing an LLM would screw up, in my experience, I’d put my money on human error for this one.
Ding ding ding
Settle down, Hector.
It’s the daily beast, would not be surprised if the article was AI hallucinated based on a few tweets or something
Is it possible to filter posts by url on lemmy? I don’t want to see more daily beast slop…
The reason I used Daily Beast was because I was looking for info on Icelist earlier today to see if there was any news on what happened … and Daily Beast was the only site that had up-to-date info.
It sounds to me like a simple region block would do the trick nicely. It’s not like this website is intended for a Russian audience so block them all and be done with it.
People are getting dumber about computers, not smarter. You heard it here first.
I agree about people getting dumber about computers, but sadly you’re not the first to say it.
I see it in my IT work everyday. It makes for some good job security, but I wonder what happens when the last of us that know how to work the dark magics shuffle off our mortal coil.
In an ideal world, as they see your knowledge is harder and harder to replace, they’ll start paying more for it, and that will hopefully be encouraging enough to the current workforce to learn the skills.
In an ideal world, as they see your knowledge is harder and harder to replace, they’ll start paying more for it
This is true and happens to me.
, and that will hopefully be encouraging enough to the current workforce to learn the skills.
Here’s the challenge. Someone new that doesn’t have the skills that is enticed by the money has to make two evaluations:
- How hard is it to learn the skill?
- How long with the skill be marketable?
For me to learn the skill wasn’t difficult because is it was modern and contemporary technology at the time. Training and support resources existed, and I was able to incrementally learn how those older technologies continued to evolve or be accommodated as new technologies arrived to replace them, but then didn’t. That won’t be the case for someone new. They can’t even use the old training material I used (assuming it was even still around) because that was written assuming the technology pervasive and well supported while the opposite is true today.
As for marketability, this is an even larger gamble. Many of these technologies should have been retired decades ago, but weren’t for a variety of niche reasons. No organizations are putting out new deployments of these old technologies. The customer base/employers wanting these skills decrease every year as old legacy systems are finally retired leaving even fewer opportunities for a new person to exercise these newly acquired old skills. Its a fact that someday there will be no users of them, but when will that be? It should have happened already so what new worker would want to try and gamble on going into extensive learning on technologies that should be dead by the time they master them?
Oh, if you’re talking about outdated technology as well, then that definitely gets harder.
They might have to face the decision to at least redo it with modern tech as these people are at least willing to learn that.
Or it could go like COBOL where the change is just so insurmountable, at least some jobs might exist for a very long time.
where the change is just so insurmountable, at least some jobs might exist for a very long time
The problem that kept COBOL around for so long was financial institutions refusing to invest in new IT. They saw it as a cost center and not as a potential source of revenue.
Then the AI overlords’ takeover will be complete. Dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria.
No, I’ve known this for a long time. When I was a kid I was conscripted into doing tech support for my older relatives. Now my generation is doing tech support for the younger generations.
When my generation dies it’ll kick off a post-apocalyptic future where people have to rediscover how all this technology works.
Now my generation is doing tech support for the younger generations.
Or having to teach them how to write and debug code in COBOL.
Same as with cars. Everyone just wants to press a button and go.
All of us who grew up as computers became mainstream had to learn how to use them and troubleshoot things, we also got to grow up as it was maturing.
These newer generations are handed tablets with apps and that’s it, and all the apps they want to use are focused around tiny attention spans and how to manipulate them.
Well, back in OOUUURRRRR DAYYYYY, the only computer was Windows and nothing ran until we edited the AUTOEXEC.BAT just to find out the .dll our sneakernet shareware software installed munged up the TCP/IP stack and we had to spend two hours and find the Windows install media to remove and replace it and THEN it would work until we installed something else.
And we LIKED it that way! We loved it!
I had to learn how to navigate Windows 3.0 using keyboard commands with no screen. I had to fix the resolution when I set it too high and the display was a 4 pixel tall line across the screen. Way back before preview and accept changes existed.
I remember back in the day in my highschool computer science class, altering the autoexec.bat to mess with the next student in fun ways. Nothing that would stop them, but simply give them pause.
The article literakky says “a huge number of IPs”. Do you have more information?
I gave the proper definition of the acronym where the article did not. I’m not making commentary on the article topic.
Sorry I misread your comment.
You are right, this definition is wrong.
No worries!
Yeah this probably should have been archived offline immediately and then spread around to decentralize it.
This is a scam. No one ever saw this list and it would have been trivial to distribute if that was ever the intent.
I saw the list yesterday for a few minutes. Then it crashed.
Why do you think they didn’t just distribute a 50kb CSV file so that everyone on earth could have it today?
You should ask them.
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I saw the list. It contains names, photos, linked in profiles, job position in ICE, etc.
EDIT: I will add, whether this whole thing is fake or not, I saw a list. the website had names, linkedin, etc. This data is completely unverified. I admit it seem a little off. But the website listed did in fact have names and links.
Awesome! Want to share the cached page or anything that you managed to grab while you were there? Even a screen shot?
Then don’t believe me. No skin off my ass.
Good luck with all the IPs your gathering into this honeypot. Hope folks had their VPNs turned on when they tried it.
For anyone else reading this, here is what is happening:
Post fake list.
No one can get it, but thousands of people try.
Oops, we got hacked.
Two months later.
Hey, why is MY house the one that got visited by ICE?
Ah the ‘Epstein list isn’t real’ phase of denial. How gauche.
Just to be clear, you are equating wanting to actually see proof of this list of ICE agents before accepting that its real with denying the Epstein files. Are you OK, dude?
You can’t place ads next to a CSV file.
Exactly, and that’s the best-case scenario.
The site has no ads
It’s back up. It’s not a scam.
And can we maybe not continually, without fail, hit ourselves in the face with a crowbar, because something positive isn’t perfect?
Why Russia would protect this administration interests like that?
It’s ridiculous that people in this thread actually believe this. Why would they use russian IPs if it was a russian DDOS attack, lol. It would be like signing your name on a bomb threat.
What do you suppose they have to lose from such a brazen attack in defence of the interests of the leader at the expense of the people he hates?
Why would they use russian IPs if it was a russian DDOS attack, lol
Because theres no reason not to.
Why would they care if they are identified? Who’s going to do ANYTHING about it?
Also, maybe they WANT the world to know they can do things like this, like changing votes in an election. If you want the world to know you are in control, you have to demonstrate it.
or it could simply be a red herring because russia = bad, so therefore it must be true because they are also bad.
Or poisoning your dissidents with a compound only used by the Russian government.
To further destabilize the country.
It is serving their interests.
Would it not be more destabilizing to allow this leak to go through? Seems like by stopping this, they are propping up the government?
The government is not the country.
The sense of justice is being denied. The feeling of their oppressor being shielded is prolonged.
They want citizens boiling.
This is a classic case of VPN
Or botnet of infected computers (not excluding VPN use).
Well they paid for it…
You guys actually believe Russia would use its own bot net?
Why would it matter if they did?
Do you not think Russia has access to multiple botnets?
Honestly, what would Russia’s motivation be? Releasing the names of those agents would, per my ignorance, be a passive win for Russia. Russian propaganda has shown that they explicitly take both sides of a political argument, which only yields more polarizing views on the matter. That’s their goal—polarize enemies to weaken their unity, attention, and effectiveness. Having us focus on vendettas against ICE serves that goal. It clarifies who our enemy is and increases the chance of more violence. Why would Russia want to stop that?
Wild speculation here, but what would the chances be that the US has control over of Russia-based bot net? Because that would be a pretty convenient tool for a state like the US.
what would the chances be that the US has control over of Russia-based bot net?
I would be highly surprised if we didn’t. I’d be surprised if any nation with any kind of serious cyber presence didn’t have resources like that in adversarial spaces.
The mofos want to hide their SVR agents working at ICE.
I don’t know what you guys are talking about. I have no problem accessing the site. Could I be on a fake one? https://icelist.is/ice/
I think it’s been resolved. It was 404ing yesterday, but now it’s fine.
mine looks like this and when I click on an office, person or directory, it yields dozens of sub categories or more names of underlings:
Yeah, but all of that info was there last week. Nothing from the new leak.
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Isn’t it Distributed Denial of Service for DDOS?
It is. This is a quality article.
Make a torrent and it will be on the internet forever.
Given how small a dataset it is, in addition tona torrent it can also be shared in an ever growing list of Mega links.
Ideally in different rar with different passwords to generate different hashes
If it’s small could it be incorporated in the Bitcoin blockchain?
Wow I love the downvotes at the mere mention of the blockchain, but for once it would be useful to have a self replicating, far spreading and impossible for anyone to delete completely dataset. But yay at least people have an instant repulsive reaction to bitcoin lol
If you want to go for the record, mention AI too. and include an EM dash and some emoji. Lemmy has some phobias. I’d say it’s all rightly found apprehension, but they take it personally if it looks like anything came from AI.
Every solution is a hammer isn’t it?
I broke my toe last week, how can Blockchain help with that?
Shut the fuck up with this bullshit. No one wants the blockchain.
It’s not entirely a stupid idea.
Block-chains are an append-only ledger where each block includes a cryptographic hash of the previous block, where new blocks are accepted by quorum across all independent nodes. The only way to fuck with the ledger to erase history would be to either exploit an undisclosed flaw in the cryptographic hash, or have enough nodes to convince the every other node that their version of history is wrong and that this fake version of history is the only truth.
Burning an undisclosed cryptographic vulnerability for this would be an extremely stupid (but plausible) idea that would make the vulnerability worthless to them in the future. Even if they didn’t have to burn a vulnerability to break the block-chain’s system of trust by rewriting history, they just proved that bitcoin is untrustworthy—which would immediately destroy its financial value.
What might actually be even better, though, is that multimillionaires, billionaires, and the United States government itself hold a bunch of cryptocurrency. The former for investment/tax evasion/laundering, and the latter in seized assets. On top of that, many criminals and hostile foreign governments hold Bitcoin, too.
Encoding the list in the Etherium or Bitcoin block-chains would make removing it extremely self-destructive for the fascists who don’t want the list to be public. It becomes a lose-lose situation for them.
A bittorrent magnet link or IPFS would be less wasteful, but they lack the self-destructive disincentive that would make them think twice about even trying to stop it.
There are much simpler ways to ensure data integrity without resorting to blockchain.
All we need to do is simply put this out as a torrent and provide a hash. That’s it. Easy.
At 51% attack cannot succeed if you’re not using blockchain to begin with. So why take the risk?
As I said in both my original comment and my follow-up replies to other people, the point is to create a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation which would have real consequences for trying to suppress. With bittorrent and IPFS, there’s zero consequences for them to try other than wasting their time and own money.
The correct approach is to use all 3 for redundancy.
Except the 51% owner of the block chain can overwrite the ledger and billionaires and hostile governments have all of the computers to do it. This has already happened multiple times with smaller coins IIRC.
Block chain is essentially just the techbro version of capitalism (not an alternative, a recreation). If there are distributed companies and enough competition, the system works pretty well, but when everything centralizes as has inevitably happened everywhere, the rules all get thrown away.
Someone who hates blockchains should be pushing for this destruction. Clearly these visceral responses are not based on logic.
THANK YOU. You get it.
I mentioned that, and yes, that’s the point. If they do that, they destroy trust in it. If they destroy trust in it, they destroy its value. The people they actually care about—the multimillionaires and billionaires—hold some as part of their portfolios and are going to be very unhappy about that.
It’s a lose-lose scenario. They either leave it up, or they make an enemy out of their backers.
If you put it on IPFS, there’s a chance that it wouldn’t be reachable anyway; it’s been going downhill for a while. I tried some projects with it a year ago, and the results were not inspiring.
A magnet would be good, fast and easy, hell, just giving people the list and writing, keep a copy of this in case it ever disappears off the net, would work pretty well.
The problem I see is that the list needs to be mutable. That wiki is there to accept crowd-sourced help. Simply making it accessible to the masses makes it a target.
It needs to be resilient, multi-homed, easily hosted, accessible by the masses, but managed only by the organizers. A blockchain-based DB could handle a lot of that, but new information still needs to be added in a way that makes it impossible to decoy. The front end needs to be easy to access and easy to edit. Some form of list-of-lists approach with new keys to add/remove data.
It would be overkill for this project, but building a blockchain-backed, secure, distributed, and anonymous document store wouldn’t be the worst thing until the worst people started using it for bad things. Learn from IPFS’s index failings.
Or you could just use a magnet link to circulate the torrent and use the DHT as your “block chain”. No need to add more moving parts…
Or do all of the above? It ain’t limited to one choice.
Entangling the destruction of the list with the destruction of cryptocurrency itself isn’t a bad thing either. If they impulsively destroy the value of bitcoin, they hurt the people whos opinions they actually care about: the 0.01%.
it’s a list of names and their linked in addresses and their images when available. I suspect they just scraped linkedin for anyone that put it in their profile, but it could have been more. There’s another section with images of cars being used. and a section to crowdsource identifying images and tying them to names.
The people who made it still have the data and could release it tons of ways. The point behind the wiki was to probably to make a living db, allowing crowdsourcing and families outing them which will alwyas be vulnerable to even the most hamfisted attacks.
That doesn’t seem to be what they want, and they are sending a bunch of flying monkeys after everyone that asks for it.
I wonder why these pigs wouldn’t want to publish their name if they just got their best job in their life …
Never ceases to amaze me that people refuse to believe or need to be reminded that Russia, China and others are actively and aggressively trying to undermine political and social stability in the US. Social media troll farms and bots, hacks of infrastructure, and apparently now preventing leaks of information detrimental to trump’s SS.
They do but don’t forget the us government is trying to do the same thing by breaking with norms and stiring up trouble.
This can easily be a a hit by an us funded group or agency to prevent waking of the gestapo.
Even more reason why it should be released as a dump, and not walled in behind a website.
