Some of them will.
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Yes because there’s a lot of Nazis and Nazi sympathizers in America currently.
Sadly, politics are so f***ed up that I have to agree with something Trump has said: He can shoot someone in Times Square and not lose a single vote.
As Cady Heron once famously said, “The limit does not exist.” Nothing, absolutely nothing, will cause him to lose support. The people who support him love him more than anything, and they will do whatever it takes to support him. They will break their own moral code, they will bend over backwards to make his rhetoric fit their morals, they will turn their back on everything they’ve ever known or loved if that’s what it takes to continue to support him. Because he is the most important thing in their lives.
Idk how old you are but there used to be discussions about how we can beat terrorists, a group of people who willingly kill themselves to inflict damage. How do you beat an enemy in war who views their own death as a victory?
That’s what we’re up against with trump. There is no inroad, there is no common ground, there is no logic. It’s a cult, plain and simple. How do you stop someone who wants to die for their cause? Maybe trump supporters don’t want to literally die for him, but they damn sure would give up everything else for him.
If Harris shot someone in Times Square right now, would she lose your vote?
Depends, who did she shoot?
Yes, just like if Trump raped someone, he would lose my vote.
Oh my bad, did I just “whataboutism?”
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I disagree my good sir. If Trump shoots someone, there might be a possibility he gets an increase in votes.
That’s what happens with cults.
What if he shot a supporter though?
The supporter’s family would line up to suck his asshole in appreciation.
Yeah, but the dead guy is still minus one vote.
No true Scotsman gymnastics then carry on as “normal”
It was self-defense! It was only a matter of time before that supporter realized what Trump was really doing, and they weren’t likely to be happy about it.
Cheney did. That friend then went on national television to apologize for being in the way of his shot.
That supporter was secretly working for the Deep State.
And he will call the family to apologize and check in… after the media calls him out for not doing so, but only after a Democrat tries to do so and is rejected because the family still supports Trump despite all that happened.
He wasn’t even a good artist.
Calling Trump a fascist just makes his supports love him even more.
It also reinforces who he is to less hard core supporters which may have a positive effect over time.
The brown shirts loved Adolph.
Americans only hate Hitler because he’s a loser. If he’d won in Europe, we’d lionize him the same way we celebrate reactionaries like Churchill, Reagan, and Shinzo Abe or despots like MBS, Duterte, and Modi.
trump literally compared himself to Victor Orban
the neonazis and white supremicists and basically all the butthurt bumpkins will
Rich coming from administration that veto every call for ceasefire or humanitarian aid against a genocide happening life on the internet. Since start of this October people in Jabalia has been under a clear plan of genocide, burned alive in hospital beds, an no where to go.
Supporting a genocidal regime is the same as supporting hitler.
And you think Trump will be better? No, Jill Stein isn’t going to win.
He didn’t say that, you just jumped into but Jill stein
Because a lot of the “Democrats are pro genocide” crew seem to be Stein stans. Maybe he’s not, but the point was that there are two possible outcomes of the election in November and saying “I can’t vote for someone who’s pro-genocide” is a bullshit copout.
It really is considering one is merely twiddling their thumbs as Palestine burns, the option that isn’t Harris aspires to be literally Hitler.
Ya think if you gave a shit about genocide you’d, I dunno… Not want to risk “Literally Hitler” getting into power?
Genocide occurs with either one. Get a clue. If you dont like it, tell your reps and stfu about peoples voting decisions. Its not your place to judge their decisions with their votes.
If harris loses because of her support for genocide thats on her for not reading the room in two of only 5 states that matter.
Sucks to be her and the Democrats but thems the breaks when your partisan and incapable of doing the right thing
They think any anti-harries statement is Pro Russia and Pro Trump and calls for Stein vote.
I am not a US citizen, and the US foreign policy never change between the two parties and I will never advocate or try to tell people who to vote for.
the US foreign policy never change between the two parties
This is such a reductionist take on an incredibly broad and complex topic that I have to wonder whether you’re joking.
Well Trump is also saying good things about Genocide that’s what the article about.
Pot calling the kettle black.
That’s his point exactly.
If your only two choices are genocide 1 and genocide 2 then you’ve fucked up pretty bad as a country
Hell this country has only been around 300 years and it’s started more wars than most people can count.
Isn’t it common knowledge at this point that Jill Stein is literally a spoil candidate who only ever seems to exist every four years as a “I’m a Leftist, but I only have bad things to say about Democrats, what a coincidence?” candidate with an uncomfortably large amount of ties to Russia?
Isn’t it common knowledge at this point that Jill Stein is literally a spoil candidate
To all but the most naive it is.
You would think so, right?
Cool but since you’re such a smarty, you know that Harris is not the head of the current regime, so only a fucking idiot would think that voting for her is tacitly giving a pass to genocide, and only a colossal idiot would think Trump is a better choice, and only a titanic idiot would abstain from voting in such a consequential election.
Since you didn’t bother even to gloss over the basics I assume you agree. On account of how very very smart and clever you are.
Yes. Yes they will.
We are gonna elect the person enabling a holocaust like Hitler
Yes, surely donald “finish the job” trump will broker peace.
The weapons and money being provided by Biden/Harris is allowing them to finish the job right now.
I’m not sure that anticolonialist is saying Trump is a better choice. They might be implying that it is sad that the American populace always has to pick between two choices which cause harm, and I agree that is a situation worth mentioning.
If they explicitly reply with ‘Trump is better’, I will strongly disagree.
I’m not saying Trump is a better choice. What I’m saying is that the current administration that is causing the deaths of brown people around the world and they need to be held accountable, and they need to be held accountable by people refusing to vote for them. Liberals are willing to overlook a active Holocaust so that their team wins.
They’re effectively saying let’s give Trump a chance because Harris, despite having no power, is already doing a bad job. Trump being worse is “hyperbole”. It’s completely braindead. And I say this as someone who thinks criticizing her lack of opposition to genocide is a good thing.
Biden said is one and only press conference that Harris was 100% on board with every decision made by the administration. So if the administrative decision was genocide in Gaza, she was on board with it. She talked cease fire at one side of her mouth while the US has completed over 1000 weapons drops to Israel, her words mean nothing.
I don’t think Harris was included in anything. Nothing they’ve done indicates Biden respects her at all. The problem is that if this is not true, she refuses to refute it.
I would argue that Trump would be way worse for Gaza, he seems to be of the mindset of “kill the weak and be done” so for him to “fix” the middle east, would probably just be to bomb the shit out of everyone until they stop fighting.
He doesn’t strike me as a great peace maker, more like a
dictator on day one
I don’t think you fully understand what you are saying. You are saying that Trump will be worse for Gaza and Palestine…while all of this has been happening under Biden’s administration and with his support (the constant UN vetoes and the constant selling of weapons).
The Palestinian genocide has always been happening with the blessing of the US government. From that point of view, right now both candidates are exactly as good for Palestine. As in, they are not.
Then that topic is a wash when deciding who to vote for. Trump is still worse on literally everything else.
It’s not “a wash”. We are talking about the literal lives of people that are being ethnically cleansed with the help of this current administration.
I can tell you clearly think that’s just a non issue that people can disagree on, but it’s a historical event. And you can’t just go “well then let’s not talk about that and focus on the rest. Trump is worse on that”. Sure, Trump is worse and is worse in everything. But that doesn’t resolve the issue of the Palestinian genocide, does it?
Incorrect, you can see Harris scrambling for votes from other groups the dnc has also disenfranchised. This entire conversation id proof that its not a wash. Its a net loss for the dems. There are only so many times a group can say but we’re better than those guys whole doing the exact same thing as those guys before people laugh and tune them out.
DNC wants votes?
- were is mandatory pto, sick days?
- where is universal healthcare?
- where is police/judicial reforms?
- where is labor support?
- where the fuck is my non genocidal option?
My vote was up for grabs by the dnc and they decided to stay the course. Biden lost my vote when he committed to breaking a strike and then a genocide. Thats on them. Dont like it bitch at them for running a shitty platform.
At this point the only way ill believe dems during an election is they have the bills ready to go and presigned by Congress
At this point the only way ill believe dems during an election is they have the bills ready to go and presigned by Congress
And this is why they’re not courting people like you. You’ve voluntarily removed yourself from the pool of potential voters.
Yeah, those things you listed would be great and if there were enough progressive folks voting instead of sitting on the sidelines they would be on the table once the Overton window for dragged back to the left a bit.
But instead we have “they’re eating dogs and cats”, “schools are forcibly chopping off kids’ dicks”, “kitty litter in classrooms”, and Project 2025 up against basic fucking sanity. So unless you’re an accelerationist there’s only one sensible choice.
Or you can sit around sniffing your own farts and feeling morally superior while everyone left of Mussolini is getting loaded onto the trains.
I dint particularly care if they court me. Harris can have all the policies in the world she cant enact 99% of them without democrats in the legislature ao they’re worth less than the paper they’re written on without yhose commitments. Its not like they have a job other than writing this legislation. Should have these bills ready to go with their signatures on them. Now that would convince me she can deliver.
Now if harris committed to arms embargo by upholding leahy w/ israel, or keeping ms khan, or promising to support striking workers with aid, id be all over her. Because she can do that.
You see the difference between me and you is i hold politicians accountable for what they can do…not what i want to hear.
Liberals only hate him because he says the quiet things out loud. The exact same things are happening right now but it’s being done in the background so it’s tolerable for liberals to consume. They don’t care about what’s going on only that it’s presented in a pretty paackage
So… Do you honestly believe that Trump would do anything to stop Israel? They’re killing Muslims, the only thing the GOP loves more than demonizing the Jewish.
So lets let Harris continue what’s actually going on so the hyperbole of what trump might do doesnt happen.
Netanyahu is actively supporting Trump because he knows he’ll enable him to be way more aggressive inside Gaza.
People that still use this are just Trump-Bots that want to seed doubt so less people vote for Harris
I’m not sure if supporting trump will get Netanyahu what he wants. Once trump is the person responsible for sending arms to Israel, suddenly democrats will be against what’s happening, creating division (at least in rhetoric) instead of bipartisan unity.
America tends to elect someone representing the interests of those who have money and power. And those who have money and power seem to accept that brown foreign people have to die so they can make money selling arms.
This is terrible, but it is also normal, and also people like making money. So people will, far too often, let it slide. And when you let something like that slide, you rationalise how you’re not a bad person, so you victim blame.
This is one more reason why I am not completely unhappy about the possibility of humans ending their own existence through economic activity. Sadly, they will take many other species with them.
To use your analogy of the holocaust, we are Japan in this situation. While we can do something its so little as to be borderline fuck all. Best we could do is arrange an accident with Netanyahu, but yet again that could make it worse.
Okay this is nothing more than American copium. Israel survives off American aid and trade, and threatening to cut either off would get them to back off faster than you could say genocide. This isn’t theory; it’s been done before.
The openly fascist granddaughter of Mussolini, Italian PM of Italy Meloni has now cut off weapons to Israel. Biden is to the right of an open fascist.
So Reagan was able to do something, Thatcher was able to do something, Baby Bush was able to do something. But Biden can’t?
When something is wrong, taking a stand against it isn’t only about it being effective. It’s about showing publicly that something is wrong.
I don’t kidnap people and force them to live in my compost bin. When I hear of others acting in this way, I condemn it. Me not doing this does not effectively stop others from doing it. But I still do it, as it is my moral duty.
I believe that killing innocent people by bombing schools and hospitals is at least as bad as the action I just described.
Hard agree, but that doesn’t change the fact that voting for Harris is a better choice that either voting for Trump or not voting at all.
You must have failed history class.
Outcome is the same, lots of people dead while the US sits back and watches
Either you aren’t communicating what you actually mean, or you didn’t just fail by a little bit.
I’m not failing, the echo
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“the echo chair” that’s not a thing (at least not in English). And if your not failing, that would imply that you are still in history class, and maybe you haven’t learned about world war two yet, in which case you should probably refrain from talking about things you don’t know yet.
Yes of course they will. Trumps cultists know exactly what he is and they vote for him because of that.
It’s sad how true that is. I was talking with a conservative about the “enemy within” shit and with a straight face he said that’s how half the country feels. Ok dog, see you on the other side of the civil war I guess.
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There is the autobahn… thankfully the US already has what is probably the best highway system in the world, so NOT a reason to elect Trump.
He just completed the already planned roads…
“the best highway system in the world”
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ML loves him.
I’m voting for harris but I had no clue about lemmy or what i was doing when I signed up lol, at least it wasn’t hexbear. I’m probably just going to stop using this website though due to the amount of people who are hostile towards me just because of something next to my name, literally some lame reddit shit, but that makes sense when you realize this website is just snobby redditors who got too snobby for reddit
Edit: you guys are actually dumber than redditors, im off this shit platform that’s never gonna succeed anyway, you are all the worst embodiment of a “redditor” adios I’ll just talk to my real life friends more often lmao
literally some lame reddit shit
Its literally not, though? Its a specific website full of people who generally have a low intelligence (whether real or faked) and the incessant need to argue, usually in bad faith.
Lemmy shows your site of origin for a reason, communities tend to be similar to each other. You chose one that has earned community hate unknowingly, but you can just migrate if you don’t like it
Or, keep whining and saying snarky shit like “snobby redditors who got too snobby for reddit” because that actually fits in perfectly with how whiney .ml users tend to be
You just proved his point entirely lol
Ty for proving my point
Discriminating against someone for an entirely voluntary association is valid. There is nothing tying you to ml and it’s not an inate part of who you are, you’re using an account on it of your own free will.
Complains about who they willingly associate with
Refuses to change said association despite it being easy
Blames others for having a bad view of their associates rather than their associates for their behaviour
Yeah, you belong on .ml for sure
Well you can migrate your account, you know, away from that pro dictatorship site and just carry on as usual.
Some ml users, I’m sure, are good people.
They’re eating the dogs!
Yeah, it sucks. I wouldn’t attribute it to a platform but just to how we are. It’s tribalism for one part, and people attributing malice to just plain ignorance. I don’t mean ignorance as a negative, but just unaware of the politics / social dynamics of the instance you decided to create an account on
I think most of us got banned too many times.
Just migrate to World or Lemm.ee. Sorry people suck.
I don’t like to judge people black on white.
Hitler did kill Hitler, so there’s something good to say about him
In Hitler’s defense, he did kill Hitler.
Yeah, but he also killed the guy who killed Hitler.
but he also killed the guy who killed the guy who killed Hitler
To be fair, he also killed the guy who killed the guy who killed the guy who killed Hitler.
honestly can’t fault him for it.
I dunno, it took him ages; should’ve been higher up on his todo list.
