It was all a trap.
They just invited him over so they can try to bully him and attack his character with bullshit arguments in front of everyone so they can have that “tough guy” image for their moronic supporters. How fucking pathetic.
No one will want to go over to the US to negotiate anything now.
America is squarely in an age of decline now. Our allies will start moving on without us. We’ll start being left out of all sorts of deals/agreements. Our global power will decline. The future is going to another country. Probably China.
All because dumbfuck conservatives care more about owning the libs than voting responsibly.
I may have a bit of a rose-colored view of the US, or at least its potential to have its conscience pricked by the notion that tomorrow can be freer than today, but if we don’t care about that anymore, then whatever it was that made America a more palatable hegemon than the USSR or China is gone. The USA is just another transactional actor, and not even a particularly reliable one. At this point, Trump has literally threatened more individual souls with annexation than China has.
“Decline” is an understatement. Trump is turning the US into a pariah rogue state, and he’s doing it fast.
That doesn’t stop any toddler from saying they are disrespected at home… Are you saying he wants the numerous tariffs negotiations to fail?!?
I tend to agree with you 100%, yet the stock market hasn’t reacted. 🤷♂️
Man, I want this war over and the US out of it.
But watching our POTUS and VP behave that way on international TV. Even if you support their politics, it’s hard for me to understand how all of us are not embarrassed.
I also like that Zelensky didn’t just swallow the insults and spoke his piece, because the media is (of course) focusing solely on the preferred Trump narrative.
i need something to bring my blood pressure down. i am flushed with anger. make your own mirror of this if you download yt-dlp run from command line
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“this is gonna be great television, i’ll tell you that” - Donald Trump, 025/28/2, he tried to bully Ukrainian president Zelenskyy on live tv
edit should be noted the minerals in ukraine are presumed, theoretical, just what little i know, but this “deal” would allow more U.S. corruption and private interests to head over and start raping the land, looking for a jackpot.
Look how you’ve mangled that date
look you gotta say the date biggest to smallest. that way it’s impervious to nationalist math confusion.
if i did it wrong then we’ll just rewrite the rules in my favor
Will no one in the media fucking grow some balls and ask trump why he is subservient to Putin?
The media outlets most likely to do that (AP & Reuters) are no longer allowed in the room for these kinds of things.
There was a Russian state media reporter in the room tho.
Because it would expose theme as being ill informed.
No. He’s too good for their ratings.
Imagine being Zelensky and having to fly some some rando country to beg for help from a Nazi asshole to end the invasion from another Nazi asshole. And if you were to die, one of the two assholes would win?
Zelensky, if you need my help personally, just ask. I have a wheelbarrow so we can carry your balls. Trump would love it if his genitalia could weigh down a party balloon.
Considering TASS was among the few outlets allowed to attend, I think this was a performance for an audience of one.
As a point of clarity. Trump demanded a ridiculous share of minerals from Ukraine. Zelensky wanted to negotiate that. Trump essentially told him there was no negotiation. They could give up half of their future mineral wealth or they could kick rocks.
give them to EU or china instead.
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I watched some of the transmission and all I can say is my respect to Zelensky grew tenfold with that exchange alone.
Having to interact with these two clowns and still keeping his cool (as much as he was able to) requires A LOT of patience and will. It was horrifyingly stupid in a train wreck kind of way.
Dude… I am saying this from the most unobjective place I can possibly manage. That was was of the most difficult and annoying things I’ve watched in a very long time. It honestly felt like watching a rational adult deal with his children complaining they can’t have a sleepover or something.
I am shocked that A) the White House wanted that embarrassment broadcast and B) zelensky actually remained remarkably calm.
Man what annoying people to talk with lol I’m trying so hard to see this from a different perspective but I can’t even fathom how that could be seen as anything other than rude and embarrassing.
“You haven’t even thanked us once” lmao
Man, don’t take a look at the conversations sub. They are all high fiving each other over this. For them it was a rush of masculinity and power live on TV. You’ve got folks saying that Vance never looked so good and how they want to name their first born over him.
Wait, really? Imo, JD had that “guy who’s been trying to turn a friend into a fuck for three years now” energy for Trump. I’m really surprised anybody saw that as masculine and powerful.
Same here. I actively avoid watching Trump or his administration talk so seeing both him and Vance during this meeting was… exhausting to say the least. I can only imagine what was going through Zelensky’s head throughout the whole thing. His face sure said a lot.
It honestly felt like watching a rational adult deal with his children complaining they can’t have a sleepover or something.
Except the children’s behavior will also get a lot of people killed and possibly a whole nation enslaved.
I am shocked that A) the White House wanted that embarrassment broadcast
Trump thinks strength is measured by how many people you confront and bully and threaten. He is not smart enough to realize this isn’t how it looks to people outside his bubble of sycophants and MAGA dummies. Elon Musk clearly thinks the same way, and both Musk and Trump crave the respect they will never earn, so they double down on their idiot edgelord/bully methods. The White House media office will be headed by Trump sycophants, who will see this exchange through MAGA eyes. They see a strong man where everyone else sees a pathetic manchild.
Did i dreamed or did at some point he mentioned Hunter Biden’s d!*k? You wouldn’t believe a movie with such a plot.
Zelensky deserves every award there is for being able to keep his cool like that. I certainly wouldn’t have been able to.
Indeed. He’s in an awful situation and has no good options. With only Europe (both politically and militarily) it will be real hard for them. OTOH with a blackmailed ‘deal’ with orange they loose a big piece of resources without any guarantees not to loose the rest to Russia or to the orange in a deal extension. To get out of this situation without a major loss would be a miracle, but hey, I really hope they make it.
If we’re lucky this will be (another) kick for the European leaders to get serious about a possibility of US bailing out completely. Maybe. Hopefully. Please?
Ukraine should just build nukes, test one of them and then say to Russia “Get out, or the next one is landing on Moscow”.
That is the kind of escalation nobody will survive.
So Ukraine builds a nuke. Maybe a few nukes, even. How many more nukes do you think Russia has? How many active anti-nuke systems do you think Russia has? Do you truly believe Ukraine having nukes will somehow deter Russia, or wouldn’t think that Russia would consider that an excuse to do even more damage?
It doesn’t matter how many nukes Russia has, or how many anti-nuke systems they have. Ukraine only needs to get lucky once. That fear will make Russia back off. It works for North Korea, it can work for Ukraine. The US is unreliable at best and a bunch of lying traitorous scum at worst, so there’s no point in relying on them for anything. The ONLY way a country can protect itself from invasion these days is to have a “I’m taking the entire world with me” button.
That’s not how it works. MAD requires an existential threat to a country. Not simply the ability to maybe take out one city. You have to have the capability to completely destroy a country for MAD to take effect.
You also need second strike capability otherwise that one nuke is a target. Russia figures out where Ukraine’s nuclear weapons are location, they do a first strike. There’s a reason why most nuclear powers have submarines capable of nuclear strikes. Hard to take them out with a first strike.
Yeah, “just build nukes”. If it was that simple, every one would have them. And even then its probably the worst choice they could make at the moment…
More like the best choice. If you don’t want to be invaded, you need nukes. Any country that had nukes and gets rid of them is just asking to be invaded. Libya got rid of their nukes, got invaded, collapsed. Ukraine got rid of their nukes, got invaded, got abandoned by the US. Canada got rid of their nukes, Trump is talking about annexing the country. I guarantee Trump would be a lot more polite to the Canadians if they had something they could point right at Mar A Lago and go “Invade us at your fucking peril”.
Canada and Libya never had nuclear weapons.
Libya tried to develop nuclear weapons but never had them. Also they weren’t invaded, there was an uprising that toppled Qaddafi.
Canada was involved with the Manhattan Project, and could have had nukes, but decided against it.
I’m sure Germany, France, or the UK would love to get the mineral rights that Trump is after.
I really want this to blow up in Trump’s face. Rude strongarm tactics is a real bad look.
I sure as hell hope we don’t make our support contingent on securing mineral rights from Ukraine while they’re over a barrel.
Of course he has. That was the whole point. When he didn’t fall in line with the plan, Trump and Vance threw a tantrum. Zelenaky will not just accept peace at any price, he’s acting in the best interests of his country and I do not blame the man for it.
? I’m from the UK, I’m saying I hope we’re not as overtly sleazy with our support.
What did i just watch??? Kudos for Zelensky not thumping Trump on the head, or walking away…
On disrespecting the oval office: https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-president-is-shilling-beans
Wow. The Onion is either gonna go out of business or start printing fake feel-good news about how sarcastically everything is “just fine.”
Fuck Trump and Vance
Where is the fucking EU?? Step up Europe the US is not an ally anymore and can’t be trusted under this government.
